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Oh, that comment was on a different page. I agree, {sa} probably shouldn't =
be in those see-also lists at all as it's not really related to BAhE. Consi=
der my proposals amended to remove LEhU from the definition of {bu} and rem=
ove {sa} from the see-also lists of {ba'e} and {za'e}.

On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Alex Burka wrote:

> SI, SA, and SU are all separate selma'o so presumably SU should be in tha=
t list as well. I'll remove LEhU.
> =20
> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu (ma=
ilto:aburka@seas.upenn.edu)> wrote:
> > > bu
> > > Combines with the previous word to make a Lojban letteral, provided t=
hat it is not one of the quote cmavo (ZO, ZOI, LOhU, LEhU) or one of the er=
asure cmavo (SI, SA, SU), ZEI, or FAhO. If the aforementioned previous word=
 is already a letteral, the resulting letteral will not necessarily be the =
same, for instance, "ky. bu" is different from "ky". In addition to single =
words, bu can be combined with a letteral that is already a composite of a =
word+bu, a zei-lujvo, a zo-quoted word, a lo'u-quoted string of words or a =
zoi-quoted foreign text. If there is no previous word, "bu" is in error; th=
is entails that "bu bu" by itself is also ungrammatical.
> > =20
> > LEhU shouldn't be there, it's at most a magic word assistant, not a mag=
ic word. "le'u bu", "le'u zei valsi", "le'u si" should be fine, unless le'u=
 has already been claimed by lo'u, but that's no different than for any oth=
er word. LEhU is like a zoi-delimiter, except LOhU always brings its own as=
sistant whereas ZOI picks one from the members of the public. =20
> >  =20
> > > ba'e (BAhE)
> > > Emphasize next word. Forethought emphasis indicator. Indicates that n=
ext word is especially emphasized or emphatic. For grammatical purposes, "b=
a'e" marks the following word but does not change its nature. (The construc=
t behaves just as the marked word by itself.) The two words are considered =
distinct for "sa" matching purposes. Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in suc=
cession, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word. =20
> > > See also za'e, .ui, sa, "Magic Words".
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> > > Keywords: Emphasize next word, emphasize next.
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> > Not sure why "sa" is mentioned specifically.
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> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
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                <div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; ">Oh=
, that comment was on a different page. I agree, {sa} probably shouldn't be=
 in those see-also lists at all as it's not really related to BAhE. Conside=
r my proposals amended to remove LEhU from the definition of {bu} and remov=
e {sa} from the see-also lists of {ba'e} and {za'e}.<br></div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at =
12:02 PM, Alex Burka wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div>
                <div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; ">SI=
, SA, and SU are all separate selma'o so presumably SU should be in that li=
st as well. I'll remove LEhU.<br></div>
                =20
                 =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at =
7:35 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:</p><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><br><div>=
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Alex Burka <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:aburka@seas.upenn.edu" target=3D"_blank">aburka@seas.upenn.edu</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                <div>bu<br></div><div><dl><dd> Combines with the previous w=
ord to make a Lojban   =20
letteral, provided that it is not one of the quote cmavo (ZO, ZOI, LOhU,
 LEhU) or one of the erasure cmavo (SI, SA, SU), ZEI, or FAhO. If   =20
the aforementioned previous word is already a letteral, the resulting   =20
letteral will not necessarily be the same, for instance, "ky. bu" is   =20
different from "ky". In addition to single words, bu can be combined   =20
with a letteral that is already a composite of a word+bu, a zei-lujvo, a
 zo-quoted word, a&nbsp;lo'u-quoted string of words or a zoi-quoted foreign=
 text. If there is
 no previous word, "bu" is in error; this entails that "bu bu" by itself
 is also ungrammatical.</dd></dl></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>LEhU shouldn't be there, it's at most a magic word assistant, not a magi=
c word. "le'u bu", "le'u zei valsi", "le'u si" should be fine, unless le'u =
has already been claimed by lo'u, but that's no different than for any othe=
r word. LEhU is like a zoi-delimiter, except LOhU always brings its own ass=
istant whereas ZOI picks one from the members of the public.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><strong>ba'e</strong> =
(BAhE)<br></div><div><dl><dd>  Emphasize next word. Forethought emphasis in=
dicator.  Indicates that next word is especially
 emphasized or emphatic.  For grammatical purposes, "ba'e" marks the   =20
following word but does not change its nature.&nbsp;(The construct behaves =
just as the marked word by itself.) The two words are considered distinct f=
or "sa" matching purposes.&nbsp;Multiple BAhE cmavo may be used in successi=
on, and they combine to mark the next non-BAhE word.</dd>
<dd>See also za'e, .ui, sa, "Magic Words".</dd></dl>
<ul><li> Keywords: Emphasize next word, emphasize next.</li></ul></div></di=
v></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not sure why "sa" is mentioned specifica=
lly.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div></div></div>
</div>

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