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[2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::2]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x7si490024qcd.3.2014.06.12.14.00.16 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: aburka@seas.upenn.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=2607:f470:8:64:5ea5::2; Received: from [158.130.108.111] (seas1133.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu [158.130.108.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by talbot.seas.upenn.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s5CL0FGN027733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:00:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:00:17 -0400 From: Alex Burka To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <47F15AE0B2DE4D7C94EEF744BC09E806@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20140610152942.GA1582@mercury.ccil.org> <73581D93CF4542F0B52FDBDD7EB241C9@gmail.com> <20140611214105.GC28473@mercury.ccil.org> <6ED7D22D59EC4AD88B7BDFCE5C32F0D1@gmail.com> <821D3D78D52141D28B34F45A01FE1DEC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [bpfk] BAhE + BU X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5400 definitions=5800 signatures=585085 X-PP-Spam-Details: rule=add_spam_details policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1111160001 definitions=main-1406120242 X-Original-Sender: aburka@seas.upenn.edu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: aburka@seas.upenn.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=aburka@seas.upenn.edu Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="539a14e1_7843e45_12754" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --539a14e1_7843e45_12754 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Okay, let's just remove the sentence. It's not needed now that I took out t= he confusing "binding" language. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > =20 > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > > Oh. I took that to mean {ta za'e gumri sa bergu} means {ta za'e bergu} = but {ta za'e gumri sa ba'e bergu} means {ta ba'e bergu}. But in terms of er= asure, presumably BAhE and the marked word are distinct for {si} as well, a= nd for {su} of course it doesn't matter. So the definition should read "The= two words are considered distinct for "si"/"sa" matching purposes." =20 > =20 > They are always distinct, also for bu, for zei, for zo. Does it have to b= e pointed out? Do we also point out that "lo broda"counts as two words, or = that "ui nai" counts as two words, or that "pa mu" counts as two words? = =20 > =20 > sa has different competing definitions, so I suppose the comment is for t= he one where "sa" looks at the selma'o of the following word. > =20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -- =20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com). > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto:b= pfk-list@googlegroups.com). > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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Ok= ay, let's just remove the sentence. It's not needed now that I took out the= confusing "binding" language.
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On Thursday, June 12, 2014 at = 4:58 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:


On Thu, = Jun 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Alex Burka <aburka@seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
Oh. I took that to mean {ta za'e gumri sa bergu} means = {ta za'e bergu} but {ta za'e gumri sa ba'e bergu} means {ta ba'e bergu}. Bu= t in terms of erasure, presumably BAhE and the marked word are distinct for= {si} as well, and for {su} of course it doesn't matter. So the definition = should read "The two words are considered distinct for "si"/"sa" matching p= urposes."

They are always distinct, also for b= u, for zei, for zo. Does it have to be pointed out? Do we also point out th= at "lo broda"counts as two words, or that "ui nai" counts as two words, or = that "pa mu" counts as two words? 

sa has different competing definitions, so I suppose th= e comment is for the one where "sa" looks at the selma'o of the following w= ord.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
  
 

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