Received: from mail-pa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.220.57]:41584) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WxP2h-0004az-QV; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:30 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id lf10sf345595pab.22 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=lTWl/0aUIucmEEgniCawCJB22YGtiC5l03+D1w/UjuE=; b=iiIKgO06reajH7V9TOfdqJTg1xDRxUPt+eUeKQHsxj1QEr9Sa054h7Spjd1wGbbnms Jxi0omRHxB0zTe+RgH5GnsShlRmgZpAqK018SA2P3ulTX2nRU6bOj3r6MDSc7TIjtZti ZDzgO3pfHpO0DF7NFQfPY94e/FuXdwzGROUjzi2+FKSto4dxFsYMoRuzj7ykQwQ37P5V mx1pvowbw7tb9FWDtmsrRlk6CIkGsSsrhPe76kI8CNaiClGDKVkL+Gt4TYBlOxip2igi zArN1U401J0Uk90XbBLr5yMimwLSfIc5BsWzBhrZUxxhtiH0qZguJG1VSQ9EMliZI+Ev lY/w== X-Received: by 10.140.47.15 with SMTP id l15mr17603qga.5.1403133197602; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.51.132 with SMTP id u4ls308413qga.36.gmail; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.64.198 with SMTP id f6mr655847qai.3.1403133197385; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id he4si768462qcb.0.2014.06.18.16.13.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: cowan@ccil.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WxP2a-00021Q-Vg for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:13:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:13:16 -0400 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] Finishing the BPFK sections Message-ID: <20140618231316.GB856@mercury.ccil.org> References: <5383A193.3010907@gmx.de> <53847E05.1000107@gmx.de> <53850FBA.50309@gmx.de> <5385B1E2.4000409@gmx.de> <5385B6C9.7080202@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: cowan@ccil.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Adam Lopresto scripsit: > I'd like to see some of the Non-Contact Spatials spelled out a little more > clearly. In particular, I think the intention is that {ri'u ko'a broda} > assumes that {ko'a} has an orientation, and that the event of {broda}-ing > is to {ko'a}'s right, and that the speaker's location and orientation are > irrelevant, [...] That was my understanding when I wrote the Red Book. > Same question for {ca'u} and {ti'a}. "In front of X" can mean "between me > and X" ("a shadow passed in front of the moon"), or it could mean "in the > direction that X is facing". The question here is, which way does the Moon face? My intuition says that it faces the Earth, so "in front of the moon" means the same thing under either interpretation. selpa'i scripsit: > To me it's not about the facing of the tagged sumti. Some things do > not even have an intrinsic orientation. In that case, it doesn't make sense to use "left of" or "right of" in the object-centric context. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Sir, I quite agree with you, but what are we two against so many? --George Bernard Shaw, to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.