Received: from mail-yh0-f62.google.com ([209.85.213.62]:50963) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WxP60-0004dW-Gr; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:56 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f62.google.com with SMTP id z6sf345831yhz.17 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=HFNMLtFcKmQrSFCnoo+RkUKXhijQIL8Vd+rDN5h/6M4=; b=J32Sj7Kuz6RfQwyEPZWRI4UJZ2YeKHscjb3PlobTZY/O5t8H5PBKxdfJZXDm6E2yXf HesXsukmAyVtDe0VyviRfvf4gv7zH2HYB+sYUIpxE39qln6PX7xvYogZx8zcp+crxBXv 5dpwGoCyWjPBqWfBzasCP6e+QvL06r4R2cBrtJzL3WAQ5EqMNJPZwIQOQNtu5Ex6Fq6R LzMPd5gqRNnhkaYNaIQm4NAvCsvnjvo3y9LnHrUpns1EEHlg4GgF24kebiyw3gJB5qNL fOAPfk2pCUQs4TSEddvNoE1U0svCoVJYlpC8OjHSUjVmE2Jl8w9GXOQ/xBLefNakyKzj YCRw== X-Received: by 10.140.85.241 with SMTP id n104mr15720qgd.23.1403133402286; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.35.199 with SMTP id n65ls331065qgn.59.gmail; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.29.67 with SMTP id i3mr733829veh.3.1403133402165; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci7si768449qcb.1.2014.06.18.16.16.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: cowan@ccil.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WxP5t-0002Go-Pt for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:16:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:16:41 -0400 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK section: TAhE (ta'e vs na'o) Message-ID: <20140618231641.GC856@mercury.ccil.org> References: <538A252F.6060204@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <538A252F.6060204@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: cowan@ccil.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - selpa'i scripsit: > "The sense of "habit" is commonly ignored in usage in favor of a > more general word indicating that the event is > common/normal/ordinary. Otherwise it would make little sense to use > it for events that don't involve an agent. Indeed, it doesn't make much sense to use it where there is no volition involved. > {ta'e}'s usage and the intended meaning of {na'o} is almost > undistinguishable as things stand. Current usage has {ta'e} as {fi'o > jai ze'a fadni} and {na'o} is almost never used." Then we should persuade people to use "na'o". > It seems the distinction between {ta'e} and {na'o} has never been > very clear. I don't see any unclarity unless you assume that "The rock habitually rolled down the hill" necessarily means anything. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Barry thirteen gules and argent on a canton azure fifty mullets of five points of the second, six, five, six, five, six, five, six, five, and six. --blazoning the U.S. flag -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.