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On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

> Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:
>
> > I think that "in front of X" always means in the direction in which X i=
s
> > facing, and that objects without natural faces acquire a nonce face suc=
h
> > that they are facing the speaker (or at whatever the point of view is).
> So
> > ca'u/ti'a X are effectively equivalent to zo'i/ze'o X when X doesn't ha=
ve
> > its own permanent face.
>
> Sounds right to me, and it also explains "left of" and "right of".


Not exactly in the same way, because faceless objects don't acquire a left
and a right corresponding to their acquired front face (their acquired left
and right, if they do have ones, would correspond to a face facing in the
same way the speaker/point-of-view is facing, not facing towards the
speaker. So "in-front-of/behind the column" behave as if the column was a
person facing the speaker, but "left-of/right-of the column" behave as if
the column was a person facing the same was as the speaker. So above/below,
in-front-of/behind, and left-of/right-of each follow their own slightly
different rules.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.cc=
il.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:<br>
<div class=3D""><br>
&gt; I think that &quot;in front of X&quot; always means in the direction i=
n which X is<br>
&gt; facing, and that objects without natural faces acquire a nonce face su=
ch<br>
&gt; that they are facing the speaker (or at whatever the point of view is)=
. So<br>
&gt; ca&#39;u/ti&#39;a X are effectively equivalent to zo&#39;i/ze&#39;o X =
when X doesn&#39;t have<br>
&gt; its own permanent face.<br>
<br>
</div>Sounds right to me, and it also explains &quot;left of&quot; and &quo=
t;right of&quot;.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not exactly in the same w=
ay, because faceless objects don&#39;t acquire a left and a right correspon=
ding to their acquired front face (their acquired left and right, if they d=
o have ones, would correspond to a face facing in the same way the speaker/=
point-of-view is facing, not facing towards the speaker. So &quot;in-front-=
of/behind the column&quot; behave as if the column was a person facing the =
speaker, but &quot;left-of/right-of the column&quot; behave as if the colum=
n was a person facing the same was as the speaker. So above/below, in-front=
-of/behind, and left-of/right-of each follow their own slightly different r=
ules.</div>
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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