Received: from mail-oa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.219.64]:62317) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1WxyAV-0005qD-RU; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:54 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id eb12sf794374oac.29 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/l8rTO1cRe+4ke+8o5tlevBrw5H9C+HbR4kKd3kUTzw=; b=mPMhrZZbJeF2vuFN6ZINAKpnDuH6f8RMtiOXIzWodhsY4glwZox3ybbmaVmVtgv/Wy Uov1zfRzf9DDEVKMw+WV2055It6WSV69La55fPI1onatgEgeXqSrLfoKQuNirdZfA+iQ vIJBHvtt12MShWjgRxhA4zEBvG/jCaX4ZsgyTbb1FFoVqMjkhuxdJ+ZUyETKibX+zcDD XusMGeWVpJK393z5Tf5LHAkg46puyntGMGuZPQNFu5I3CJQHHPd8gm4CrAtMAtJ1TLdB XxgZtr5D/Fr+wcflUDRXWupZv+U989AQuxafMLPDubwbRibDxKue7rb5JcZeaNoPyrmy XKSA== X-Received: by 10.50.43.227 with SMTP id z3mr64266igl.11.1403268221528; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.51.16.195 with SMTP id fy3ls253301igd.40.gmail; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.67.67 with SMTP id xt3mr1140279icb.23.1403268221277; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x235.google.com (mail-ve0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xn6si366304vdc.2.2014.06.20.05.43.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235; Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id db11so3473262veb.40 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.253.132 with SMTP id na4mr756205vcb.39.1403268221128; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.73 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <538A252F.6060204@gmx.de> <20140618231641.GC856@mercury.ccil.org> <20140619235720.GG24620@mercury.ccil.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 09:43:41 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK section: TAhE (ta'e vs na'o) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133ddf8d8565404fc43d7fb X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1133ddf8d8565404fc43d7fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think it's better to think of "ta'e" as a marker for habitual aspect (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitual_aspect") rather than as the adverb "habitually". One way to mark the habitual aspect in English is the "used to" construction, and this is not limited to volitional actions: "we used to do that", but also "winters used to be much colder". "ta'e" is more general than "used to" because it is not restricted to the past. English has other ways to mark habitual aspect too. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1133ddf8d8565404fc43d7fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's better to = think of "ta'e" as a marker for habitual aspect ("http://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/Habitual_aspect") rather than as the adverb "habitually&= quot;.=C2=A0

One way to = mark the habitual aspect in English is the "used to" construction= , and this is not limited to volitional actions: "we used to do that&q= uot;, but also "winters used to be much colder".=C2=A0

"ta= 9;e" is more general than "used to" because it is not restri= cted to the past. English has other ways to mark habitual aspect too.

mu'o mi= 'e xorxes


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