Received: from mail-la0-f62.google.com ([209.85.215.62]:37011) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XRLrt-0008P4-Po; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:54:03 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f62.google.com with SMTP id gi9sf720221lab.27 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SwNWYGTRWovHMi9aff9hs1vgbPba0xrYYCDhqZkf0dI=; b=YshV8ST2xPYpZTJAu191k7+xNlCMx2P1vuFwHWGRdNvTm+zr1zB6wgloY+Lfdclyn3 SjAs3XSocpB07GGpSHcWoYfV8BGOW5pnxlYtAO/mj+SiOaYeoWqUZ8SST+c2CtZWEZSP 6SIYeW2QXyrDjUUug/sSn1UiwzGQnc3xQKrsgBPEKYEEBcECaxbNVd/3LpSkbNwmgAjj dT1rl5Nr9/i272g5zhoXXWutor7cU/2poKuoEdyF0tmNjPCYA0+DoL33bA6XDfMFA6xk yCkROx1AkHOLteanIigp0nIwyx3EsDsYQS42B0KBeKMV8LeripCCExuC3VgKnCz1jgsz 4+rA== X-Received: by 10.152.121.4 with SMTP id lg4mr3521lab.30.1410270833847; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.23.200 with SMTP id o8ls522075laf.89.gmail; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.190.102 with SMTP id gp6mr312895lbc.10.1410270833217; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x229.google.com (mail-wg0-x229.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc7si833831wic.2.2014.09.09.06.53.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::229; Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so2295038wgh.12 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.103.234 with SMTP id fz10mr30848281wib.76.1410270832922; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (97e1e8ee.skybroadband.com. [151.225.232.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s7sm14978298wjo.48.2014.09.09.06.53.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <540F0670.5060804@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:53:52 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] {gunma}, {selcmi} and gadri definitions References: <540EFD66.2080509@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <540EFD66.2080509@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Ilmen, On 09/09/2014 14:15: > I don't like very much the idea of using the sel- rafsi in a > non-compositional way, for making lujvo of the form {selbroda} whose > meaning cannot be derived from {se broda}. It seems there's a pretty > wide implicit agreement that the sel/ter/vel/xel rafsi should be > regular (semantically compositional). That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The principal gr= ammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to signal noncomposition= ality -- a sense other than, and typically more specific than, the sense of= the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. A secondary function of lujvo is that= sometimes they're shorter, but given that brevity is only a marginal consi= deration in Lojban design, the key grammatical characteristic of lujvohood = is noncompositionality, with the rafsi having merely a kind of mnemonic fun= ction. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.