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Gleki Arxokuna, On 09/09/2014 14:55:
> I disagree. I suggest that SEL- lujvo are always jvajvo, no cimjvo.

With what rationale for suggesting this?

Has "jvajvo" changed meaning? It usedn't to mean complete compositionality.

> The same goes for -gau, -zu'e, -selja'e, some other rafsi.

For these there is an argument from (syntactic rather than merely phonologi=
cal) brevity, tho resorting to fully compositional lujvo is kind of a hacky=
 workaround and uses up lujvo space not very needfully.

--And.

 =20
> 2014-09-09 17:53 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:and.ros=
ta@gmail.com>>:
>
>     Ilmen, On 09/09/2014 14:15:
>
>         I don't like very much the idea of using the sel- rafsi in a
>         non-compositional way, for making lujvo of the form {selbroda} wh=
ose
>         meaning cannot be derived from {se broda}. It seems there's a pre=
tty
>         wide implicit agreement that the sel/ter/vel/xel rafsi should be
>         regular (semantically compositional).
>
>
>     That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The princi=
pal grammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to signal noncompo=
sitionality -- a sense other than, and typically more specific than, the se=
nse of the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. A secondary function of lujvo i=
s that sometimes they're shorter, but given that brevity is only a marginal=
 consideration in Lojban design, the key grammatical characteristic of lujv=
ohood is noncompositionality, with the rafsi having merely a kind of mnemon=
ic function.

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