Received: from mail-qa0-f58.google.com ([209.85.216.58]:53298) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XRTF3-0003FX-Pb; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:26 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f58.google.com with SMTP id f12sf158474qad.23 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :user-agent:sender:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=6xFjEpmUjeqX4743ZqYmbk+9JKjS1MJi/4w6HtOJp2Y=; b=YbC1q/iu6J8KSCbXsfVHavG2SnGIwxk5k9N14LmVeTJcJnqWxresNY2qOtlronWpGA J+jiz/6dbuPE4DQwvLx10g9qyQxxra4OIvKyj8ZNdW555sgB2ensRCSKUoWHi/5HfN30 H8zRfaMeJBsShE6AXDHSMA4eDwIEMYQOvcPqlBwmPsfWuVI1pBZ9rcn8b1HS9TUAnZQO xVcpLcVbFfEiGIlfLPIxU8zmD6FKbUKHHe+11EEd2bZyKpn4hNm6z6huZoT4igHBRqjk 8yTTFr4+v+UDt8qBQYcXrhrLV9I96AsGN77WpjjUTJ7jxfMaVEm/cZN3KgA8Lq5vxYGR wctA== X-Received: by 10.50.117.7 with SMTP id ka7mr425495igb.2.1410299179029; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.114.97 with SMTP id jf1ls2856954igb.27.canary; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.66.236 with SMTP id i12mr17781033igt.5.1410299178765; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org. [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tr5si24402igb.1.2014.09.09.14.46.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XRTEt-0005U0-Mt for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 17:46:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:46:15 -0400 From: John Cowan To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] {gunma}, {selcmi} and gadri definitions Message-ID: <20140909214615.GF5598@mercury.ccil.org> References: <540EFD66.2080509@gmail.com> <540F0670.5060804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <540F0670.5060804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - And Rosta scripsit: > That dislike and agreement strike me as not very rational. The > principal grammatical function of lujvo relative to phrases is to > signal noncompositionality -- a sense other than, and typically more > specific than, the sense of the unlujvoized phrasal counterpart. I'd say that's no longer really true. Lujvo provide brevity (sometimes) and satisfy the desire to have separate words for things. They also allow cmavo, particularly grouping cmavo, to be omitted: broda ke brode brodi can be reduced to brodybrode brodi. > with the rafsi having merely a kind of mnemonic function. That's much too strong a claim for modern Lojban usage. They may not be fully compositional, but they are not merely hints. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org The work of Henry James has always seemed divisible by a simple dynastic arrangement into three reigns: James I, James II, and the Old Pretender. --Philip Guedalla -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.