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I suggest disallowing at least /^C[iu]V$/ cmavo like {kia} for some time
until we stabilize the language on the new level which for the most part is
1. a new printed CLL with errata applied
2. a printed dictionary of cmavo, upper ontology + most useful in real life
words. The last two would probably consist mostly of gismu.


2014-10-20 4:19 GMT+04:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:

> coi ro me byfy
>
> peg morphology allows cmavo beginning with "consonant glide":
>
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Morphology+Algorithm
> cmavo-form <- !h !cluster onset (nucleus h)* (!stressed nucleus / nucleus
> !cluster) / y+ / digit
> onset <-  h / consonant? glide / initial
>
> while CLL3.4 disallows it:
> "the ten following ones [diphtongs with on-glide, i.e. beginning with i or
> u] are used only as stand-alone words and in Lojbanized names and
> borrowings."
>
> Which is official now? La jbovlaste allows it based on peg morphology, and
> la gleki and I don't agree to the new rule. Concretely, an experimental
> cmavo "jie'e'e" is now discussed:
>
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=27527;natlangword=0;commentid=0;definition=0
>
> If this new rule is official, CLL3.4 must be modified.
>
> mi'e la guskant mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I suggest disallowing at least /^C[iu]V$/ cmavo like {kia}=
 for some time until we stabilize the language on the new level which for t=
he most part is=C2=A0<div>1. a new printed CLL with errata applied</div><di=
v>2. a printed dictionary of cmavo, upper ontology + most useful in real li=
fe words. The last two would probably consist mostly of gismu.</div><div><b=
r></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">201=
4-10-20 4:19 GMT+04:00 guskant <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gusn=
i.kantu@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gusni.kantu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">coi ro me byfy<br><br>pe=
g morphology allows cmavo beginning with &quot;consonant glide&quot;:<br><b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Morphology+Algo=
rithm" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Mor=
phology+Algorithm</a><br>cmavo-form &lt;- !h !cluster onset (nucleus h)* (!=
stressed nucleus / nucleus !cluster) / y+ / digit<br>onset &lt;-=C2=A0 h / =
consonant? glide / initial<br><br>while CLL3.4 disallows it:<br>&quot;the t=
en following ones [diphtongs with on-glide, i.e. beginning with i or u] are=
 used only as stand-alone words and in Lojbanized names and borrowings.&quo=
t;<br><br>Which is official now? La jbovlaste allows it based on peg morpho=
logy, and la gleki and I don&#39;t agree to the new rule. Concretely, an ex=
perimental cmavo &quot;jie&#39;e&#39;e&quot; is now discussed:<br><a href=
=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/comments.html?valsi=3D27527;natlangword=3D0=
;commentid=3D0;definition=3D0" target=3D"_blank">http://jbovlaste.lojban.or=
g/comments.html?valsi=3D27527;natlangword=3D0;commentid=3D0;definition=3D0<=
/a><br><br>If this new rule is official, CLL3.4 must be modified.<br><br>mi=
&#39;e la guskant mu&#39;o<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><b=
r></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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