Received: from mail-ie0-f186.google.com ([209.85.223.186]:42921) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XgBzq-0007E3-8W; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:40 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f186.google.com with SMTP id at20sf887455iec.13 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ME0TL5rGeXJoagwOcbYbabIHkqGW1ks6Kf4O89/T8AE=; b=ullNU3FHp9B/Qedq36BWJFS/GJcpt6gfPvtE2eZcxIq/XNUS4AgEbtnglpapWVaa+2 ivDuR5rKMGzzPMe0rTUYWqCl2zyoj41vtx/G5w8kpf3MnNKu3474clHUCe+JP0T2W1IU aHZpPL/Up/bXTJBNGpnB26OorgbhmpatjOJLRJrq2KuIiOXh70RixX4Ex/OlwkFYJNzv KzJ46dQ5vgBhxf7fCUGO/tkvUkb2v3dyTMqBZLoEeC9803NvDlfa/UTpn+esEWcOU1s6 MmrWN4/+LsX00lHP1IAc41tzDSKzJl1s7C9zBIl+OOv7+FMEwGfjlAisouw0tfwoLcOC O0bQ== X-Received: by 10.50.50.140 with SMTP id c12mr170724igo.15.1413807807489; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.135.87 with SMTP id j84ls1395057iod.68.gmail; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.135.99 with SMTP id pr3mr17614948pbb.9.1413807807320; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8si540820igq.0.2014.10.20.05.23.27 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.91.231]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMk99-1XmUBF02XP-008eo8 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:23:26 +0200 Message-ID: <5444FEBF.10200@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:23:27 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form References: In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:gejdWdw8JnT3K0cgFzqwLK6eDlH+DfWnhRLhHMKgqgRcmBJZIMn JA06OFX40hisaF8q596uYV0SCKM9CqfTpTmskGnffX8bAPPcWKiCYAZvuZr3R+G3lfPc4ys Ueh2N/adtp+65OQCLmnycgK+tETgNeuCgn/7NpjGeBTTijBKVBiftwd5vfNP8LZ2Jc/P3bJ wlhQla6bvSMR5Aj/KjU7A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > The PEG morphology is not yet official. I would have been happy to > disallow "consonant glide" as a valid onset altogether, but other people > were opposed to that at the time. Some would have even allowed "CC > glide" as a syllable onset, so allowing a single consonant was something > of a compromise. I would be happy to go with the more strict "onset <- > h / glide / initial" if that's the new consensus, although in that case > there are probably several words in jbovlaste that would have to be revised. My personal position is that I definitely would want to disallow any CiV where C is a sibilant (e.g. ?{sia}) or a dental (e.g. ?{tia}) [1], because they tend to degenerate into simpler forms over time (e.g. {ca} and {tca} respectively) and are hard to distiniguish for many people. I would ban them in any word, not just in cmavo. Regarding forms like {kia} (which must be pronounced [kja]), they bother me slightly less, but I wouldn't miss them if they got removed. So one could either ban just the ones that are likely to cause problems, or ban all for simplicity's sake. I see no problems with {ie'o} as a cmavo form. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- [1] The are some additional phonotactic constraints I would install, but the details seem irrelevant here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.