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coi lai .bypyfyk.

I've been looking at the syllabif= ication done by the camxes parser when it parses cmevla and zi'evla, and on= e detail surprised me.

camxes doesn't compute syll= ables for lujvo (it computes the component rafsi instead). I was considerin= g how to compute the syllables for a lujvo, either by turning it into a zi'= evla (by prepending valsr-) or into a cmevla (by appending -s). zo {mu'ersk= epre} ("physicist") is my subject. I changed the output in the PEG (but not= the actual rules) a little to show me the syllables[1].

valsrmu'erskepre: val-sr-mu-'er-SKE-pr-e
mu'erskepres: mu-= 'er-ske-pres

The advantage of lujvo=3D>zi'evla = is that you see where camxes thinks the stress is -- but I didn't expect th= at consonantal_syllable "pr". Is that really how you would pronounce that z= i'evla? How many syllables does it have?

mu'o mi'e= la durkavore

[1] diff here: https://github.c= om/durka/ilmentufa/commit/5fc266317493866768019aca0e533b493ad5e807
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