> wrote: > > =20 > > Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit: > > =20 > > > artmxozaiko > > > kaktnxo > > > mastlxa > > =20 > > etc. etc. > > =20 > > These words are far worse than their x-less equivalents. Better to refo= rmulate > > the grammar to allow art-mo-zai-ko. > > =20 > > =20 > > I see that as a feature, not a problem. The syllable "-art-" may look f= ine to English speakers, but it's unlojbanic, lojban only allows single con= sonant codas. "ar,tm,xo,zai,ko" is horrible, of course, consonantal syllabl= es should be avoided. Why not better make it "larmozaiko"? > > =20 > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > =20 > -- =20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com (mailto:bpfk-list+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com). > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com (mailto:b= pfk-list@googlegroups.com). > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > =20 > =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --544bf627_14fce74e_139 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

I don't see how you could replace all consideration of = consonant clusters with CV + explicit buffer vowels. Wouldn't you lose the = ability to specify which clusters are valid, which ones are valid initially= , etc?

mu'o mi'e la durka

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On Saturday, October 25, 2014 = at 3:07 PM, And Rosta wrote:

This discussion seems if not nonse= nsical then at least not very sensical.

What is th= e evidence that Lojban allows syllables other than CV?

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I'm not saying there isn't any, but it's not obvious what it is. The (= regrettable) existence of minimal pairs /Cia/:/Ciia/ seems to imply CGV sy= llables, and the (regrettable) existence of minimal pairs /aiC/:/aiiC/ seem= s to imply CVG syllables. But is there any other sort of syllable?

These morphophonological constraints on Lojban words seem = to involve something other than syllables -- specifically a morphophonologi= cal entity rather than (as the syllable is) a phonological one. Once you ge= t out of phonology and into morphophonology, notions of naturalness and cro= sslinguistic tendencies become less pertinent. So the morphophonological ru= les can be as weird and wacky as you like; tho without good reason, why wou= ld you want them to be?

But if Lojban syllabifica= tion is essentially CV (or simplex onset + simplex nucleus), give or take a= ny complications with glides, why bother with a bunch of morphophonological= constraints? Is it just because they are codified in CLL (albeit in errone= ously phonological terms) and therefore cannotbe abandoned? Would abandoni= ng morphophonological constraints invalidate existing words or text?
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I should add, btw, that even if you wanted to push the I= MO untenable analysis of the buffer vowel being anaptyctic, it would be eve= n more implausible to argue that anaptyxis occurs within a syllabic constit= uent, so either the way the buffer vowel diagnoses syllable structure.

--And.

Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas, O= n 25/10/2014 16:46:

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:36 PM, John Cowan <cowan@merc= ury.ccil.org <mailto:cowan@mer= cury.ccil.org>> wrote:

Jorge Llamb= =C3=ADas scripsit:

> artmxozaiko
> kaktnxo
> mastlxa

= etc. etc.

These words are far worse than thei= r x-less equivalents. Better to reformulate
the grammar to a= llow art-mo-zai-ko.

I see that as a= feature, not a problem. The syllable "-art-" may look fine to English spea= kers, but it's unlojbanic, lojban only allows single consonant codas. "ar,t= m,xo,zai,ko" is horrible, of course, consonantal syllables should be avoide= d. Why not better make it "larmozaiko"?

mu'o mi'e = xorxes

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