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Subject: [bpfk] make {lr} dispreferred
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A. {lr} can pose problems for some when pronouncing them.
B. {karli} vs. {kalri} can be an annoying point of confusion
C. =E6=97=A5 is lojbanized as "ri" in {solri} and =E5=AD=A6=E4=B9=A0 is loj=
banized as "ci" in
{cilre}. both can be disputed.
D. {lr} got into {cilre} by lojbanizing "learn" as "lrn" which i can't call
a perfect lojbanization from pragmatic viewpoint

So i humbly suggest obsoletizing this cluster.

It affects 7 gismu:
solri, molro, kalri, jilra, jalra, cilre, balre

possible solutions of obsoletizing them can be:
1a. replacing {l} or {r} to something else allowing both pronunciations
with the {lr} pronunciation marked as "dispreferred". E.g. {*cilne} and
{cilre} with the second dispreferred. Definitely, cilre (word No. 142) and
solri (word No. 818 in my frequency list based on IRC logs) can't be just
removed from the language so tagging them as "dispreferred" is the only
possible solution.
1b. alternatively find a new form given fact D. above. {*lerne} would do
fine.
2. {jalra} has a broken definition. {blato} covering termites and
cockroaches would do fine with {.ortoptera} for Orthoptera.
3. As for lujvo {lr} would be always assumed as =3D{lyr}.

just for the info i'm not sure if {rl} poses that many problems but the
following gismu have it:
tarla, surla, sarlu, perli, mirli, merli, kerlo, karli, farlu, darlu, cirla

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<div dir=3D"ltr">A. {lr} can pose problems for some when pronouncing them.<=
div>B. {karli} vs. {kalri} can be an annoying point of confusion</div><div>=
C. =E6=97=A5 is lojbanized as &quot;ri&quot; in {solri} and =E5=AD=A6=E4=B9=
=A0 is lojbanized as &quot;ci&quot; in {cilre}. both can be disputed.</div>=
<div>D.=C2=A0{lr} got into {cilre} by lojbanizing &quot;learn&quot; as &quo=
t;lrn&quot; which i can&#39;t call a perfect lojbanization from pragmatic v=
iewpoint<br><div><br></div><div>So i humbly suggest obsoletizing this clust=
er.</div><div><br><div>It affects 7 gismu:</div><div>solri, molro, kalri, j=
ilra, jalra, cilre, balre<br></div><div><br></div><div>possible solutions o=
f obsoletizing them can be:</div><div>1a. replacing {l} or {r} to something=
 else allowing both pronunciations with the {lr} pronunciation marked as &q=
uot;dispreferred&quot;. E.g. {*cilne} and {cilre} with the second disprefer=
red.=C2=A0Definitely, cilre (word No. 142) and solri (word No. 818 in my fr=
equency list based on IRC logs) can&#39;t be just removed from the language=
 so tagging them as &quot;dispreferred&quot; is the only possible solution.=
</div><div>1b. alternatively find a new form given fact D. above. {*lerne} =
would do fine.</div><div>2. {jalra} has a broken definition. {blato} coveri=
ng termites and cockroaches would do fine with {.ortoptera} for Orthoptera.=
</div><div>3. As for lujvo {lr} would be always assumed as =3D{lyr}.</div><=
div><br></div><div>just for the info i&#39;m not sure if {rl} poses that ma=
ny problems but the following gismu have it:</div><div>tarla, surla, sarlu,=
 perli, mirli, merli, kerlo, karli, farlu, darlu, cirla<br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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