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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Alex Burka <durka42@gmail.com> wrote:

>  This word came up on IRC today:
>
> ?{.esporte'yske}
>
> (Assume for the sake of argument that the extended rafsi stress fix, noted
> recently by la xorxes, has been applied.)
>
> Now, camxes says this is a tosmabru: *{.e sporte'yske}. Note that
> {sporte'yske} by itself _does_ parse. It is a lujvo formed from *{sporte}
> and {saske}. But *{sporte} is a slinku'i! So how can it show up in a lujvo?
>
> Is this a limitation of extended rafsi (we can't really make a lujvo
> including a fu'ivla whose first consonant cluster is a valid initial
> cluster, or something along those lines), or is it a bug in the grammar?
>

It's just a bug. The extended rafsi part of the morphology was never
thoroughly tested, so it's good that people are starting to look at it.
This *may* be the fix:


rafsi-string <- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi /
stressed-y-less-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi /
stressed-y-less-rafsi? initial-pair y) / brivla-rafsi


Adding the "/ brivla-rafsi" at the end. I'd be grateful if you can check it.

ki'e mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Alex Burka <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:durka42@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">durka42@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-l=
eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div>
                    This word came up on IRC today:
                </div><div><br></div><div>?{.esporte&#39;yske}</div><div><b=
r></div><div>(Assume for the sake of argument that the extended rafsi stres=
s fix, noted recently by la xorxes, has been applied.)</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Now, camxes says this is a tosmabru: *{.e sporte&#39;yske}. Note that =
{sporte&#39;yske} by itself _does_ parse. It is a lujvo formed from *{sport=
e} and {saske}. But *{sporte} is a slinku&#39;i! So how can it show up in a=
 lujvo?</div><div><br></div><div>Is this a limitation of extended rafsi (we=
 can&#39;t really make a lujvo including a fu&#39;ivla whose first consonan=
t cluster is a valid initial cluster, or something along those lines), or i=
s it a bug in the grammar?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s j=
ust a bug. The extended rafsi part of the morphology was never thoroughly t=
ested, so it&#39;s good that people are starting to look at it. This *may* =
be the fix:</div><div>=C2=A0<br></div><div><pre class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr" id=
=3D"codebox" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;l=
ine-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px so=
lid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-botto=
m-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size=
:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">rafsi-string &lt;- y-less-rafsi* (gismu =
/ CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / str=
essed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi? initial-pair y) / brivla-rafsi
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Adding the &quot;/ brivla-rafsi&quot; at th=
e end. I&#39;d be grateful if you can check it.</div><div><br></div><div>ki=
&#39;e mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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