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[69.249.31.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c104sm12246598qgd.30.2014.11.08.19.54.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Nov 2014 19:54:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 22:54:36 -0500 From: Alex Burka To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <49D423038AB048B3832946E4D73A58D8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20141109033347.GO6360@mercury.ccil.org> References: <24AD03E6AEA1476F9B53E0EE111750E9@gmail.com> <544BF94F.3040204@gmail.com> <544CB576.2070503@gmail.com> <544CF7D1.9050300@gmail.com> <544D197D.5000709@gmail.com> <20141109033347.GO6360@mercury.ccil.org> Subject: Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=durka42@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="545ee57c_2421dfcf_13b" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --545ee57c_2421dfcf_13b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline > > > (4) cmevla introduce dot-consonant and consonant-dot, and currently a > > whole lot of other things. > > > > > I think restricting cmevla to standard syllables, vocalic and > consonantal, is basically rich enough. Indeed, it may be too flexible > in allowing V-V hiatus: "koreas." is made of valid syllables, but is > IMO unlojbanic. > > By my reading, camxes won't allow a nucleus to follow a vowel/diphthong under any circumstances, so *{koreas} is not allowed, even as a zifcme (and I agree it's naljbo). > > I would prefer that fu'ivla did not introduce consonantal > > syllables. They were added to make type-3 fu'ivla possible, with their > > CrC clusters, but that could be easily managed with CyrC instead, only > > requiring a coda for y syllables (which are not currently used outside > > of cmevla). > > > > > Violates rule 4. Consonantal syllables suck, but I think we are stuck > with them. > > Sorry, what's rule 4? I'm guessing it has to do with backwards compatibility? mu'o mi'e la durkavore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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(4) cmevla introduce dot-conso= nant and consonant-dot, and currently a
whole lot of other things= .

I think restricting cmevla to= standard syllables, vocalic and
consonantal, is basically rich e= nough. Indeed, it may be too flexible
in allowing V-V hiatus: "k= oreas." is made of valid syllables, but is
IMO unlojbanic.
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By my reading, camxes won't allow a nuc= leus to follow a vowel/diphthong under any circumstances, so *{koreas} is n= ot allowed, even as a zifcme (and I agree it's naljbo).
= I would prefer that fu'ivla did not introduce consonantal
syllabl= es. They were added to make type-3 fu'ivla possible, with their
C= rC clusters, but that could be easily managed with CyrC instead, only
=
requiring a coda for y syllables (which are not currently used outside=
of cmevla).

Violates= rule 4. Consonantal syllables suck, but I think we are stuck
wi= th them.
Sorry, what's rule 4? I'= m guessing it has to do with backwards compatibility? 

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