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On 9 Nov 2014 01:09, "John Cowan" <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:
>
> Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:
> > I don't mind [the buffer vowel] appearing sporadically at the
> > phonological level, I just don't want it at the phonemic level because
> > I think it hinders more than helps.
>
> Emphatic agreement, substituting "phonetic level" for "phonological
level".

I think you're both wrong, and that rather you should be saying that you
don't mind it at the phonological level but don't want it at the
morphophonological level -- a position that I would then agree with.

The phonemic status of the buffer vowel is evidenced by its realizational
specification. It might better be thought of as the realization of an empty
nucleus.

I suppose that there is indeed also a rather extreme and unnatural analysis
in which the buffer vowel is part of one of the nonprevocalic allophones of
each consonant phoneme, and that its lack of realizational overlap with
vowel phonemes is coincidental.

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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 9 Nov 2014 01:09, &quot;John Cowan&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cowan@mer=
cury.ccil.org">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:<br>
&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t mind [the buffer vowel] appearing sporadically at the=
<br>
&gt; &gt; phonological level, I just don&#39;t want it at the phonemic leve=
l because<br>
&gt; &gt; I think it hinders more than helps.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Emphatic agreement, substituting &quot;phonetic level&quot; for &quot;=
phonological level&quot;.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I think you&#39;re both wrong, and that rather you should be=
 saying that you don&#39;t mind it at the phonological level but don&#39;t =
want it at the morphophonological level -- a position that I would then agr=
ee with.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The phonemic status of the buffer vowel is evidenced by its =
realizational specification. It might better be thought of as the realizati=
on of an empty nucleus.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I suppose that there is indeed also a rather extreme and unn=
atural analysis in which the buffer vowel is part of one of the nonprevocal=
ic allophones of each consonant phoneme, and that its lack of realizational=
 overlap with vowel phonemes is coincidental.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">--And.</p>

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