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2014-11-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:

> Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit:
>
> > That was the idea, yes. In fact only Cyr and Cyn. The -l- hyphen would
> now
> > never be needed, since the final consonant of the rafsi becomes
> irrelevant
> > for the choice of hyphen and so -yr- works for all cases except when th=
e
> > fu'ivla proper begins with r.
>
> I was actually thinking of something more radical:  replace all syllabic
> consonants with yC throughout the language.  Ivan Derzhanski argued for
> this long ago, and I now think he was correct: they reduce readability
> and make things more awkward.  Syllabic consonants were introduced by
> JCB, and I think we should have discarded them for Lojban; Loglan wound
> up being more dependent on them, and writing them double.
>

If this change can be easily explained (e.g. "replace all syllabic
consonants to {yr}") then it's okay. Existing texts will be assumed to be
synonymous to these amended words just like {klamygau} is a full synonym of
{klagau} (except the sounding and the text itself).


> > Type-3 fu'ivla become thus something like pseudo-lujvo, which is what
> they
> > are anyway.
>
> Indeed.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-11-09 18:37 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>=
&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas scripsit=
:<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; That was the idea, yes. In fact only Cyr and Cyn. The -l- hyphen would=
 now<br>
&gt; never be needed, since the final consonant of the rafsi becomes irrele=
vant<br>
&gt; for the choice of hyphen and so -yr- works for all cases except when t=
he<br>
&gt; fu&#39;ivla proper begins with r.<br>
<br>
</span>I was actually thinking of something more radical:=C2=A0 replace all=
 syllabic<br>
consonants with yC throughout the language.=C2=A0 Ivan Derzhanski argued fo=
r<br>
this long ago, and I now think he was correct: they reduce readability<br>
and make things more awkward.=C2=A0 Syllabic consonants were introduced by<=
br>
JCB, and I think we should have discarded them for Lojban; Loglan wound<br>
up being more dependent on them, and writing them double.<br></blockquote><=
div><br></div><div>If this change can be easily explained (e.g. &quot;repla=
ce all syllabic consonants to {yr}&quot;) then it&#39;s okay. Existing text=
s will be assumed to be synonymous to these amended words just like {klamyg=
au} is a full synonym of {klagau} (except the sounding and the text itself)=
.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; Type-3 fu&#39;ivla become thus something like pseudo-lujvo, which is w=
hat they<br>
&gt; are anyway.<br>
<br>
</span>Indeed.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
--<br>
John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.ccil.org=
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=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
</span>Uneasy lies the head that wears the Editor&#39;s hat! --Eddie Foirbe=
is Climo<br>
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