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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What about checking for validity by humans?
>

The brivla rafsi rule for humans is quite simple: Every valid brivla has an
extended brivla rafsi that consist of the full brivla followed by 'y.

The rule for fu'ivla rafsi is also simple in principle: drop the final
vowel and replace it with y (just as with gismu), but the hitch here is
that not every fu'ivla has this shorter rafsi available. If the the result
of replacing the final vowel with y is a string of ordinary rafsi, then the
fu'ivla doesn't have a fu'ivla rafsi. So for example "spageti" doesn't have
the shorter rafsi "spagety-" because this is a string of ordinary rafsi
spa-get-y. So it only has the extended brivla rafsi "spageti'y-".
"spagetytai" is not "spageti zei tarmi", it's "spati zei gento zei tarmi".
Also, fu'ivla that end in a diphthong or in apostrophe vowel don't have
this shorter rafsi available.


> Humans wont be able to determine the validity of the resulting brivla on
> the fly if they use these numerous rules.
>

The rules are of course quite messy, but they are learnable by humans.

cant something more simple be proposed (may be at the expense of losing
> some already valid brivla and/or allowing more forms) ?
>

It depends on how much you're willing to throw away. If we were to throw
away the whole rafsi system and start afresh, then the rules could be made
much more simple.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.=
name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">What about checking for validity by humans?</div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>The brivla rafsi rule for humans is quite simple: Every=
 valid brivla has an extended brivla rafsi that consist of the full brivla =
followed by &#39;y.</div><div><br></div><div>The rule for fu&#39;ivla rafsi=
 is also simple in principle: drop the final vowel and replace it with y (j=
ust as with gismu), but the hitch here is that not every fu&#39;ivla has th=
is shorter rafsi available. If the the result of replacing the final vowel =
with y is a string of ordinary rafsi, then the fu&#39;ivla doesn&#39;t have=
 a fu&#39;ivla rafsi. So for example &quot;spageti&quot; doesn&#39;t have t=
he shorter rafsi &quot;spagety-&quot; because this is a string of ordinary =
rafsi spa-get-y. So it only has the extended brivla rafsi &quot;spageti&#39=
;y-&quot;. &quot;spagetytai&quot; is not &quot;spageti zei tarmi&quot;, it&=
#39;s &quot;spati zei gento zei tarmi&quot;. Also, fu&#39;ivla that end in =
a diphthong or in apostrophe vowel don&#39;t have this shorter rafsi availa=
ble.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div>Humans wont be able to determine the validity of the resulting brivla =
on the fly if they use these numerous rules.</div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>The rules are of course quite messy, but they are learnable b=
y humans.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div>cant something more simple be proposed (may be at the ex=
pense of losing some already valid brivla and/or allowing more forms) ?</di=
v></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It depends on how much you&#=
39;re willing to throw away. If we were to throw away the whole rafsi syste=
m and start afresh, then the rules could be made much more simple.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div><=
/div></div>

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