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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.c=
om>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi vowel / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) h y h?
>>
>>
>> stressed-hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stressed-CCV-rafsi / =
stressed-CVV-rafsi) h y h?
>>
>>
>> y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi =
(CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h !any-extended-rafsi
>>
>>
>> rafsi-string <- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-less=
-rafsi short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-raf=
si? initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafsi)
>>
>>
>> I found this nice page where I can check a PEG myself without having to
>> write a parser: http://pegjs.majda.cz/online and these changes do seem
>> to finally fix the problem.
>>
>
> But not quite. The sporte'y cases are fixed, but "slinku'i'yske" slips by
> for some reason. "slinku'i'ysaske", "slinkau'yske", "sku'iske" are all
> successfully blocked, so the problem seems to be with some slinku'i that
> end in CV'V with final stress. I'll have to keep investigating.
>

OK, I think I found the glitch. Some further changes:

slinkuhi <- !rafsi-string consonant rafsi-string


initial-rafsi <- extended-rafsi / y-rafsi / !any-extended-rafsi
y-less-rafsi !any-extended-rafsi


y-less-rafsi <- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi
!stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h


i.e. I moved the !any-extended-rafsi up from the y-less-rafsi rule to the
initial-rafsi rule. I also excluded rafsi strings from satisfying the
slinku'i rule, otherwise things like "smabru'yske" get excluded. Now all
the brivla rafsi that I tested work as expected, blocking all the slinku'i
cases.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,2=
04);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Sat, Nov 15=
, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border=
-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><div><br></div><div><pre d=
ir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;lin=
e-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px soli=
d rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-=
left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:1=
2px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi vowel / CCV-rafsi=
 / CVV-rafsi) h y h?</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2em;p=
adding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105,10=
5);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;=
border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;background:r=
gb(245,245,245)">stressed-hy-rafsi =3D (long-rafsi stressed-vowel / stresse=
d-CCV-rafsi / stressed-CVV-rafsi) h y h?
</pre></div><div><br></div></span><span class=3D""><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2e=
m;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105=
,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3=
px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;backgroun=
d:rgb(245,245,245)">y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi !stressed-y-rafsi !hy-rafsi=
 !stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h !any-extended-ra=
fsi
</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&#39;=
Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top=
:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;bord=
er-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-r=
adius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">rafs=
i-string &lt;- y-less-rafsi* (gismu / CVV-final-rafsi / stressed-y-less-raf=
si short-final-rafsi / y-rafsi / stressed-y-rafsi / stressed-y-less-rafsi? =
initial-pair y / hy-rafsi / stressed-hy-rafsi)
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>I found this nice page where I can check a =
PEG myself without having to write a parser: <a href=3D"http://pegjs.majda.=
cz/online" target=3D"_blank">http://pegjs.majda.cz/online</a> and these cha=
nges do seem to finally fix the problem.</div></span></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>But not quite. The sporte&#39;y cases are fixe=
d, but &quot;slinku&#39;i&#39;yske&quot; slips by for some reason. &quot;sl=
inku&#39;i&#39;ysaske&quot;, &quot;slinkau&#39;yske&quot;, &quot;sku&#39;is=
ke&quot; are all successfully blocked, so the problem seems to be with some=
 slinku&#39;i that end in CV&#39;V with final stress. I&#39;ll have to keep=
 investigating.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>OK,=
 I think I found the glitch. Some further changes:</div><div><br></div><div=
><pre class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"codebox" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;=
margin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-to=
p-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius=
:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">slinkuhi =
&lt;- !rafsi-string consonant rafsi-string </pre></div><div><br></div><div>=
<pre class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"codebox" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courie=
r New&#39;,Courier,monospace;line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;m=
argin-bottom:0px;border:1px solid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-top=
-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:=
3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">initial-ra=
fsi &lt;- extended-rafsi / y-rafsi / !any-extended-rafsi y-less-rafsi !any-=
extended-rafsi</pre></div><div><br></div><div><pre class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"codebox" style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier New&#39;,Courier,monospace;=
line-height:1.2em;padding:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;border:1px s=
olid rgb(105,105,105);overflow:auto;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bott=
om-left-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-siz=
e:12px;background:rgb(245,245,245)">y-less-rafsi &lt;- !y-rafsi !stressed-y=
-rafsi !hy-rafsi !stressed-hy-rafsi (CVC-rafsi / CCV-rafsi / CVV-rafsi) !h
</pre></div><div><br></div><div>i.e. I moved the !any-extended-rafsi up fro=
m the y-less-rafsi rule to the initial-rafsi rule. I also excluded rafsi st=
rings from satisfying the slinku&#39;i rule, otherwise things like &quot;sm=
abru&#39;yske&quot; get excluded. Now all the brivla rafsi that I tested wo=
rk as expected, blocking all the slinku&#39;i cases.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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