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On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com=
>
wrote:
>
> 2014-11-16 4:37 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>   brivla <- !cmevla !cmavo !h &onset unstressed-syllable*
>> stressed-syllable unstressed &post-word
>>
>> Yes, that's what i wanted. I dont care about the rafsi structure of
> brivla. Let them remain in peg.
>

I'm not sure what you mean. If the rafsi structure remains, then this
simplified rule won't work. This rule is for a reformed language, it is not
a rule that merely hides the rafsi structure.

I just want to explain to noobs  how to detect valid brivla.
> If a slinkuhi test needed then it's needed.
>

The slinku'i test is about rafsi structure. You also have to consider valid
forms such as ".eslinku'i" which would break down into two words without
the slinku'i test.

I'm also not against {kibpapri} since it'd be automatically assumed to be
> expanded into {kibypapri}. va'i I can explain banning voiceless-voiced
> clusters in a separate rule.
>

"kibpapri" will be rejected by the phonotactics, but that's not the only
function of "y". Compare "bratyrapli" with "bratrapli" for example. One is
"bratu zei rapli", the other is "barda zei tarti zei pilno".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=
=3D"h5">2014-11-16 4:37 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0 brivla &lt;- !cmevla !cmavo !h &amp;onset unstressed-syllable* stressed=
-syllable unstressed &amp;post-word</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><=
/blockquote></div></div><div>Yes, that&#39;s what i wanted. I dont care abo=
ut the rafsi structure of brivla. Let them remain in peg.</div></div></div>=
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not sure what you mean. If t=
he rafsi structure remains, then this simplified rule won&#39;t work. This =
rule is for a reformed language, it is not a rule that merely hides the raf=
si structure.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><=
div>I just want to explain to noobs =C2=A0how to detect valid brivla.</div>=
<div>If a slinkuhi test needed then it&#39;s needed.</div></div></div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The slinku&#39;i test is about rafsi stru=
cture. You also have to consider valid forms such as &quot;.eslinku&#39;i&q=
uot; which would break down into two words without the slinku&#39;i test.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>I&#39;m also not=
 against {kibpapri} since it&#39;d be automatically assumed to be expanded =
into {kibypapri}. va&#39;i I can explain banning voiceless-voiced clusters =
in a separate rule.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>&quot;kibpapri&quot; will be rejected by the phonotactics, but that&#39;s =
not the only function of &quot;y&quot;. Compare &quot;bratyrapli&quot; with=
 &quot;bratrapli&quot; for example. One is &quot;bratu zei rapli&quot;, the=
 other is &quot;barda zei tarti zei pilno&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>m=
u&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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