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On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> btw, my question was not about throwing away rafsi but instead to get an
> easy way of determining whether a given word is a valid one.
>
> Determining which class it belongs to is another question that is solved
> by the full peg now.
>

With the current system, determining whether a given word is valid is
tantamount to determining which class it belongs to.


> My question was "can an ordinary human without a computer detect a word as
> being valid/invalid?" if yes then what would be 'eir steps to determine
> that.
>

Of course we can. The rules are somewhat baroque, but by no means
impossible to apply. You probably already know how to detect valid cmevla,
cmavo and lujvo. The last case, fu'ivla, you get by a process of
elimination: if the candidate is a valid string of syllables with
penultimate stress, it's not a cmevla, it's not a gismu or lujvo, it
doesn't begin with a cmavo that can fall off leaving valid lojban words,
and it passes the slinku'i test, then it's a valid fu'ivla. It's perfectly
possible for humans to check all of that without the help of a computer.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.=
name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
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ass=3D""><div><br></div></span><div>btw, my question was not about throwing=
 away rafsi but instead to get an easy way of determining whether a given w=
ord is a valid one.</div><div><br></div><div>Determining which class it bel=
ongs to is another question that is solved by the full peg now.</div></div>=
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>With the current system, deter=
mining whether a given word is valid is tantamount to determining which cla=
ss it belongs to.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv>My question was &quot;can an ordinary human without a computer detect a =
word as being valid/invalid?&quot; if yes then what would be &#39;eir steps=
 to determine that.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>Of course we can. The rules are somewhat baroque, but by no means impossib=
le to apply. You probably already know how to detect valid cmevla, cmavo an=
d lujvo. The last case, fu&#39;ivla, you get by a process of elimination: i=
f the candidate is a valid string of syllables with penultimate stress, it&=
#39;s not a cmevla, it&#39;s not a gismu or lujvo, it doesn&#39;t begin wit=
h a cmavo that can fall off leaving valid lojban words, and it passes the s=
linku&#39;i test, then it&#39;s a valid fu&#39;ivla. It&#39;s perfectly pos=
sible for humans to check all of that without the help of a computer.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v></div>

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