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On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals
>
> currently it's {talsa}. {u'unai} is also {talsa}.
>

The "see also" gismu are not meant to be in any strict association with the
UI, they are just related meanings, they don't have to be unique nor be
uniquely associated with a single UI.


> I'm not opposed changing {e'e} to "provoke" meaning but it needs to be
> defined what is the predicate of both of them.
>

I wouldn't say that provocation is the main use of ".e'e", although it
could be used for that.  The e-series attitudinals are used to express an
attitude towards some action to be performed by (usually but not
necessarily) the addressee. How about some zi'evla based on them:

e'ande: x1 lets/allows/permits x2 to do/be x3 (cf. curmi)
e'ende: x1 exhorts/encourages/motivates x2 to do/be x3 (cf. talsa)
e'inde: x1 instructs/indicates/commands x2 to do/be x3 (cf. minde)
e'onde: x1 requests/asks x2 to do/be x3 (cf. cpedu)
e'unde: x1 suggests/advises x2 to do/be x3 (cf. stidi)

e'anmo: x1 lets/allows/permits x2 to happen (cf. curmi)
e'enmo: x1 exhorts/encourages/motivates x2 to happen (cf. talsa)
e'inmo: x1 instructs/indicates/commands x2 to happen (cf. minde)
e'onmo: x1 requests/asks x2 to happen (cf. cpedu)
e'unmo: x1 suggests/advises x2 to happen (cf. stidi)

These could also be extended to many other UIs: uinmo, uenmo, u'inmo, etc

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudi=
nals</a><br><div><br></div><div>currently it&#39;s {talsa}. {u&#39;unai} is=
 also {talsa}.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The &quot;see al=
so&quot; gismu are not meant to be in any strict association with the UI, t=
hey are just related meanings, they don&#39;t have to be unique nor be uniq=
uely associated with a single UI.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;m not opposed changing {e&#39;e} to &quot;provo=
ke&quot; meaning but it needs to be defined what is the predicate of both o=
f them.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wouldn&#39;t say that=
 provocation is the main use of &quot;.e&#39;e&quot;, although it could be =
used for that.=C2=A0 The e-series attitudinals are used to express an attit=
ude towards some action to be performed by (usually but not necessarily) th=
e addressee. How about some zi&#39;evla based on them:</div><div><br></div>=
<div>e&#39;ande: x1 lets/allows/permits x2 to do/be x3 (cf. curmi)</div><di=
v>e&#39;ende: x1 exhorts/encourages/motivates x2 to do/be x3 (cf. talsa)</d=
iv><div>e&#39;inde: x1 instructs/indicates/commands x2 to do/be x3 (cf. min=
de)</div><div>e&#39;onde: x1 requests/asks x2 to do/be x3 (cf. cpedu)</div>=
<div>e&#39;unde: x1 suggests/advises x2 to do/be x3 (cf. stidi)</div><div><=
br></div><div><div>e&#39;anmo: x1 lets/allows/permits x2 to happen (cf. cur=
mi)</div><div>e&#39;enmo: x1 exhorts/encourages/motivates x2 to happen (cf.=
 talsa)</div><div>e&#39;inmo: x1 instructs/indicates/commands x2 to happen =
(cf. minde)</div><div>e&#39;onmo: x1 requests/asks x2 to happen (cf. cpedu)=
</div><div>e&#39;unmo: x1 suggests/advises x2 to happen (cf. stidi)</div></=
div><div><br></div><div>These could also be extended to many other UIs: uin=
mo, uenmo, u&#39;inmo, etc=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39=
;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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