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The preprocessor thing doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Does anyone else =
support this "dialectal variation"? We don't preprocess {ie} to {i'e}, so I=
 don't see the point in changing ?{jie} to {ji'e}. They're quite different =
sounds, and moreover different syllable counts, so you'll be complecting th=
e stress and word segmentation rules as well as breaking audiovisual isomor=
phism.=20

As for the larger question, I don't have a very strong opinion. I lean towa=
rds consistency (that would be banning it or allowing it everywhere). If we=
 do allow it, maybe the sibilants should still be an exception for ease of =
pronunciation (I don't have trouble with ?{guaspi}, but ?{jiespi} and ?{cia=
spi} are difficult).

So if we're approval-voting: 1.1.2 + 2. But I'm open to being convinced oth=
erwise.

mu'o mi'e la durkavore=20


On Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

>=20
>=20
> 2014-12-11 16:16 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org (mailto:cow=
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> > Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:
> >=20
> > > I vote for this. + I prefer it to be just a synonym (dialect variatio=
n of
> > > the same sequence but with a {'} inside. co'o zo guaspi
> >=20
> > I can live with this, but I'd prefer to ban it altogether.
>=20
> It depends on in what way should it be banned.=20
> I vote for banning it from the formal grammar however, I vote for the pre=
processor to be able to autocorrect {jie} back to {ji'e}. Speech recognitio=
n must be able to recognize both variants.
>=20
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> > Clear?  Huh!  Why a four-year-old child could understand this report.
> > Run out and find me a four-year-old child.  I can't make head or tail
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                <div>
                    The preprocessor thing doesn't make a ton of sense to m=
e. Does anyone else support this "dialectal variation"? We don't preprocess=
 {ie} to {i'e}, so I don't see the point in changing ?{jie} to {ji'e}. They=
're quite different sounds, and moreover different syllable counts, so you'=
ll be complecting the stress and word segmentation rules as well as breakin=
g audiovisual isomorphism.
                </div><div><br></div><div>As for the larger question, I don=
't have a very strong opinion. I lean towards consistency (that would be ba=
nning it or allowing it everywhere). If we do allow it, maybe the sibilants=
 should still be an exception for ease of pronunciation (I don't have troub=
le with ?{guaspi}, but ?{jiespi} and ?{ciaspi} are difficult).</div><div><b=
r></div><div>So if we're approval-voting: 1.1.2 + 2. But I'm open to being =
convinced otherwise.</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e la durkavore</div>
                <div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, December 11, 2014=
 at 8:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><div>2014=
-12-11 16:16 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c=
owan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>&gt;</sp=
an>:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:<br>
<span><br>
&gt; I vote for this. + I prefer it to be just a synonym (dialect variation=
 of<br>
&gt; the same sequence but with a {'} inside. co'o zo guaspi<br>
<br>
</span>I can live with this, but I'd prefer to ban it altogether.<br></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It depends on in what way should it be ban=
ned.&nbsp;</div><div>I vote for banning it from the formal grammar however,=
 I vote for the preprocessor to be able to autocorrect {jie} back to {ji'e}=
. Speech recognition must be able to recognize both variants.</div><div><br=
></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<span><br>
--<br>
John Cowan&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.ccil.org=
/~cowan" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; <a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
</span>Clear?&nbsp; Huh!&nbsp; Why a four-year-old child could understand t=
his report.<br>
Run out and find me a four-year-old child.&nbsp; I can't make head or tail<=
br>
out of it.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --Rufus T. Firefly on government repo=
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