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[68.230.241.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u7si1080880qcf.2.2014.12.14.13.39.43 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=68.230.241.218; Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141214213943.PRQX27051.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:39:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.248.61]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id TZfY1p0041LDWBL01ZfY0z; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:39:43 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.548E03A5.0416,ss=1,re=0.001,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Z8gy6gtA c=1 sm=1 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:17 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=0j6Abf_xJ_3f_qAiGN8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <548E0394.8080204@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:39:32 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form References: <5444FEBF.10200@gmx.de> <544507CD.9050608@gmail.com> <20141021000349.GM14499@mercury.ccil.org> <54461EDB.70808@gmail.com> <54490F94.60609@lojban.org> <27825508-120d-421d-beb7-498fa858f673@googlegroups.com> <548AC3CB.7090403@gmx.de> <580B9AB84B34485AB4139B921C46CF42@gmail.com> <3ED463A548E74A53BD8F2ECEF0C620F8@gmail.com> <14FDADF47D7841A39D612894E81CC89B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14FDADF47D7841A39D612894E81CC89B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=none (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 12/12/2014 6:27 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > I just realized you were probably using square brackets for IPA. So if I > understand correctly (relying on a Wikipedia chart here) [tuwitsku] > would be {tu uitsku}, gliding from the [u] to the [i], and [tu=CA=94itsku= ] is > {tu .itsku} with a pause/glottal stop in between. As I understand it > Lojban is of the opinion that [tuitsku] is indistinguishable from > [tuwitsku]. > > However, the debated ?{tuitsku} is pronounced [twitsku]. > > mu'o mi'e la durkavore > > On Friday, December 12, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > >> I'm confused. {tuuitsku} breaks up into {tu uitsku}, no matter what we >> do, but if CgV is disallowed then ?{tuitsku} would be invalid. The >> separated words would be {tu .itsku} with the required pause. >> >> I apologize in advance if I'm still talking past you and answering a >> different question that what you asked. >> >> mu'o mi'e la durkavore >> >> On Friday, December 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM, And Rosta wrote: >> >>> I meant what Lojban word(s). >>> >>> If [tuisku] is something other than {tuisku}, e.g. {tu uisku}, then >>> {tuisku} should be illicit; otherwise it should be licit. I have not been following this discussion, and defer to Cowan if he=20 disagrees with anything I say, but my recollection is that we permitted=20 "glides" to be WRITTEN in fu'ivla, but that they were considered to the=20 equivalent of the same string with a close-comma between the two=20 letters, so that tuitsku would be the same word as tu,itsku lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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