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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Le vendredi 16 janvier 2015 01:12:24 UTC+9, guskant a écrit : > > Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to > fu'ivla, not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the > form (C)V(g)CCgV... produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla > from an xml dump dated 2015-01-08: > > eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka, > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku > > For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the > apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo form. > > If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the same word, this > problem will not occur, though. > > sisisisi, I should say "...will not occur in fu'ivla beginning with CgV, though." 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Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to=20 > fu'ivla, not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the=20 > form (C)V(g)CCgV... produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'iv= la=20 > from an xml dump dated 2015-01-08: > > eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka,=20 > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku > > For example, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the= =20 > apostrophe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo form= . > > If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the same word, this=20 > problem will not occur, though. > > sisisisi, I should say "...will not occur in fu'ivla beginning with CgV,=20 though." > > Le jeudi 15 janvier 2015 07:21:43 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Alex Burka =20 >> wrote: >> >>> Only within cmevla, right? Otherwise you'd be able to write "tuitsku"= =20 >>> and get two words. >>> >> >> "tuitsku" would indeed unambiguously represent two words "tu" followed b= y=20 >> "uitsku". That's why I said that for aesthetic reasons one could also=20 >> require that the ii or uu be fully within the same word. (I should als= o=20 >> say that the V has to be a vowel, not a glide.) >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:08 AM, And Rosta wrote: >>> >>> I suggest that be deemed, by a=20 >>> general rule that I am not competent to formulate, orthographic variant= s of=20 >>> . >>> >>> >>> The rule would be simple: CiiV <-> CiV; CuuV <-> CuV. >>> >>> One could also require for aesthetic reasons that the ii or uu be withi= n=20 >>> a single word, although this is not strictly necessary from the point o= f=20 >>> view of unambiguity. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>> Groups "BPFK" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>> an email to bpfk-list+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to bpfk...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 >>> Groups "BPFK" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send= =20 >>> an email to bpfk-list+...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to bpfk...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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Le vendredi 16 janvier 2015 01:12:24 UTC+9, guskan= t a =C3=A9crit :
Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV= to fu'ivla, not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form&n= bsp;(C)V(g)CCgV... produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla = from an xml dump dated 2015-01-08:

eskua,= februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka, patriarko, = reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku

For ex= ample, {februa} will be {fe + bruua} by adding u. In this case, the apostro= phe-method is also inapplicable because {febru'a} is in lujvo form.

If we require that ii or uu should be fully within the sa= me word, this problem will not occur, though.


sisisisi, I should say = "...will not occur in fu'ivla beginning with CgV, though."




Le jeudi 15 ja= nvier 2015 07:21:43 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit :


= On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Alex Burka <abu...= @seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
Only within cmevla, right? Otherwise you'd be able to w= rite "tuitsku" and get two words.

"tu= itsku" would indeed unambiguously represent two words "tu" followed by "uit= sku". That's why I said that for aesthetic reasons one could also require t= hat the ii or uu be fully  within the same word.  (I should also = say that the V has to be a vowel, not a glide.)

mu= 'o mi'e xorxes

=20

On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 a= t 5:14 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:


On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:08 AM, And Rosta <= and....@gmail.com> wrote:
I= suggest that <tuitr, nitcion, pier, buenosaires> be deemed, by a gen= eral rule that I am not competent to formulate, orthographic variants = of <tuuitr, nitciion, piier, buuenosaires> .
=

The rule would be simple: CiiV <-> CiV; CuuV <= -> CuV.

One could also require for aesthetic re= asons that the ii or uu be within a single word, although this is not stric= tly necessary from the point of view of unambiguity.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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