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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Thursday, January 15, 2015 08:12:24 guskant wrote: > > Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to > fu'ivla, > > not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form > (C)V(g)CCgV... > > produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla from an xml dump > > dated 2015-01-08: > > > > eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka, > > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku > > "reskuamata" and "restuatara" appear to be badly, and differently, formed > from > "Squamata" and "tuatara" with the gism "res". > > Changing Cu/iV to Cuu/iiV or Cu/i'V at the end of a word puts the accent on > what was a glide; changing it to Cuu/iiV at the beginning, if there's a > single > consonant at the beginning, results in no consonant pair in the first five > letters. > > On Thursday, January 15, 2015 21:31:44 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > eskua => sku'ate > > For Gregorian months something like {jangre'i} for Jan., {febgre'i} for > > Feb. etc. (or whatever suffix you invent). We can easily borrow latin > names > > anyway ({madjio} is the worst Lojbanization of a latin name i've ever > > seen). > > "madjio" is from Italian. 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Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to > fu'ivla, > > not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form > (C)V(g)CCgV... > > produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla from an xml dump > > dated 2015-01-08: > > > > eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka, > > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku > > "reskuamata" and "restuatara" appear to be badly, and differently, formed > from > "Squamata" and "tuatara" with the gism "res". > > Changing Cu/iV to Cuu/iiV or Cu/i'V at the end of a word puts the accent on > what was a glide; changing it to Cuu/iiV at the beginning, if there's a > single > consonant at the beginning, results in no consonant pair in the first five > letters. > > On Thursday, January 15, 2015 21:31:44 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > eskua => sku'ate > > For Gregorian months something like {jangre'i} for Jan., {febgre'i} for > > Feb. etc. (or whatever suffix you invent). We can easily borrow latin > names > > anyway ({madjio} is the worst Lojbanization of a latin name i've ever > > seen). > > "madjio" is from Italian. And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should follow some system, not be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set of words (then why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?). Here is one more attempt (same problems) janmese febmese marmese primese majmese jonmese julmese augmese sepmese oktomese novmese dekmese (June is {jon-} to make it more distinguishable from {jul-}.) For Italian system gennaio febbraio marzo aprile maggio giugno luglio agosto settembre ottobre novembre dicembre let me try: jenmese febmese marmese primese majmese junmese lulmese agmese, setmese, otmese, novmese dicmese This might be only easier to remember since only the first letters of months are retained + a pseudo-suffix is added. > This change affects half the month names, including > all the ones that couldn't be entered while jbovlaste was using vlatai: > ianvari > frebuari -> frebuuari > martio ->? > prilio ->? > madjio ->? > djunio ->? > djulio ->? > avgusto > septembero > oktobero > novmbero > decmbero > and the obsolete names and leap month: > kuintili -> ku'intili > sektili > mercedonio ->? > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. 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2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, January 15, 2015 0= 8:12:24 guskant wrote:
> Just for your info. Considering application of Ci/uV -> Cii/uuV to = fu'ivla,
> not only those beginning with CgV but also those in the form (C)V(g)CC= gV...
> produce tosmabru-like problem. I picked up such fu'ivla from an xm= l dump
> dated 2015-01-08:
>
> eskua, februa, fiakre, fiesta, kuadranta, kuaidzi, madjio, matriocka,<= br> > patriarko, reskuamata, restuatara, tiatro, tuitsku

"reskuamata" and "restuatara" appear to be badly= , and differently, formed from
"Squamata" and "tuatara" with the gism "res".=

Changing Cu/iV to Cuu/iiV or Cu/i'V at the end of a word puts the accen= t on
what was a glide; changing it to Cuu/iiV at the beginning, if there's a= single
consonant at the beginning, results in no consonant pair in the first five<= br> letters.

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 21:31:44 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> eskua =3D> sku'ate
> For Gregorian months something like {jangre'i} for Jan., {febgre&#= 39;i} for
> Feb. etc. (or whatever suffix you invent). We can easily borrow latin = names
> anyway ({madjio} is the worst Lojbanization of a latin name i've e= ver
> seen).

"madjio" is from Italian.

= And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should follow some sy= stem, not be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set of w= ords (then why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?).
=

Here is one more attempt (same problems)
janm= ese febmese marmese primese majmese jonmese julmese augmese sepmese oktomes= e novmese dekmese (June is {jon-} to make it more distinguishable from {jul= -}.)

For Italian system=C2=A0
gennaio febbraio marzo aprile=C2=A0 maggio giugno luglio=09 agosto settembre ottobre novembre dicembre

let me try:
jenmese febmese marmese prim= ese majmese junmese lulmese agmese, setmese, otmese, novmese dicmese
<= div>

This might be only easier to remember sin= ce only the first letters of months are retained + a pseudo-suffix is added= .


=C2=A0
This change af= fects half the month names, including
all the ones that couldn't be entered while jbovlaste was using vlatai:=
ianvari
frebuari -> frebuuari
martio ->?
prilio ->?
madjio ->?
djunio ->?
djulio ->?
avgusto
septembero
oktobero
novmbero
decmbero
and the obsolete names and leap month:
kuintili -> ku'intili
sektili
mercedonio ->?

Pierre
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