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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:59:16 +0300
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    > wrote: > > And my question is: why not disallow [d͡z] since only Arabic
    has it. > > Say what? It’s news to me that Arabic has [dz)] as a unitary
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2015-01-18 12:30 GMT+03:00 Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>:

> On 18 January 2015 at 10:00, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > And my question is: why not disallow [d=CD=A1z] since only Arabic has i=
t.
>
> Say what? It=E2=80=99s news to me that Arabic has [dz)] as a unitary phon=
eme.
>

You are right. Like with Chinese and Russian it's an allophone.
So why do we have it if no major languages have it as an "basic" phoneme?

I'm fine with it as an allophone but currenty it's not.


>
> And if you are talking about the sequence of sounds [dz], English has
> the word =E2=80=98adze=E2=80=99.
>
> mu'o mi'e .filip.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-01-18 12:30 GMT+03:00 Philip Newton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">philip.newton@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 18=
 January 2015 at 10:00, Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.na=
me@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; And my question is: why not disallow [d=CD=A1z] since only Arabic has =
it.<br>
<br>
</span>Say what? It=E2=80=99s news to me that Arabic has [dz)] as a unitary=
 phoneme.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are right. Like with Chin=
ese and Russian it&#39;s an allophone.</div><div>So why do we have it if no=
 major languages have it as an &quot;basic&quot; phoneme?</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I&#39;m fine with it as an allophone but currenty it&#39;s not.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
And if you are talking about the sequence of sounds [dz], English has<br>
the word =E2=80=98adze=E2=80=99.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .filip.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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