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    > Gleki Arxokuna scripsit: > > > As for when we do need to express [p] we
    would probably have to always > > aspirate it to make Chinese Lojbanists
   understand more easily what we are > > saying. > > Pretty much the same is
    true for anglophone Lojbanists; the English stops > are officially distinguished
    by voice, but in practice mostly by > aspiration. > Note that where there
    is no aspiration (as after /s/), there is no voicing > contrast either. >
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2015-01-18 20:44 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:

> Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:
>
> > As for when we do need to express [p] we would probably have to always
> > aspirate it to make Chinese Lojbanists understand more easily what we are
> > saying.
>
> Pretty much the same is true for anglophone Lojbanists; the English stops
> are officially distinguished by voice, but in practice mostly by
> aspiration.
> Note that where there is no aspiration (as after /s/), there is no voicing
> contrast either.
>

Well, in CLL it is simply [b], not aspirated.

>
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> with hackers, and all places with sloth and wickedness?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-01-18 20:44 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target=3D"_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>=
&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; As for when we do need to express [p] we would probably have to always=
<br>
&gt; aspirate it to make Chinese Lojbanists understand more easily what we =
are<br>
&gt; saying.<br>
<br>
</span>Pretty much the same is true for anglophone Lojbanists; the English =
stops<br>
are officially distinguished by voice, but in practice mostly by aspiration=
.<br>
Note that where there is no aspiration (as after /s/), there is no voicing<=
br>
contrast either.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, in CLL it is sim=
ply [b], not aspirated.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
--<br>
John Cowan=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.ccil.org=
/~cowan" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</a>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
</span>How comes city and country to be filled with drones and rogues, our =
highways<br>
with hackers, and all places with sloth and wickedness?<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --W. Blith, Eng. Im=
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