Received: from mail-yk0-f187.google.com ([209.85.160.187]:41324) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YTmOZ-0006XS-JP; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:10:07 -0800 Received: by yks20 with SMTP id 20sf14801261yks.8; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:09:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=1NK2MkZDfMey4Sjzszfy1fQUX2X+GkRbHW83QOngsW4=; b=l/7DKlUgr7wgOJ10DNyZSvsXog2EDpyR8lYxgRjUjW5YcMejg0J/HtZS6Lq+hyT7f2 M/6P9XCgev7DBF0HS00jTdxgjPnN3cSofOqrSY+4mK1YDZobhOpjgLn7m3JFdIEzVbx7 /jf5oeJoZRJ20cRomIqdJXxQYRih5S/r3nfRrOskxuCyLQyvc3yg0JsY1+4P/a6nqM0S byibx2NHPYpqf/grobBsrP/Q6Imyue/Y2pBfAVw3s+VMuOtM4qvUff2ZXh9HWvdoqDFa DdtgWev0N4zfC7xZSQqQqs55toLxWnFDpo1PVbTEQM3PlgiP0skKyeSTEHGjGBcWR3W2 5OaQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=1NK2MkZDfMey4Sjzszfy1fQUX2X+GkRbHW83QOngsW4=; b=u9bPY0VaYoD/aSbj5LDpQNc+UlsZC0z42lYIVXSDh9osx2HXW1WQYosWROWb5W7Dpo lL9FOoBoF8dlIynCJo2dHMzPHXMlL4GNW/jn4ElmlzCzURZai5WMxk3jhUY1E1ANW6ND uvyK/u8KkN8nLoxvrbjNzt0C8lAb2d1IJAeTrZ80m6A0CkrzCiyWVOQi93/0zxICpBDC 0rKV15h2Vf5ZhY2AR2xfUTYtnAeBa9p1c5O/9qOkURNGffJCrt8mAnXgTys2bWbDGjux DnbDz4YQ0vTlJaJSP60GCbmwhiBS/eOON4GsFNxyxJA01kMfqo76C2OwMPlbT+fCIWHG yTCA== X-Received: by 10.50.50.142 with SMTP id c14mr740697igo.13.1425625796974; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.107.38 with SMTP id gz6ls817513igb.35.canary; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.176.227 with SMTP id cl3mr32933igc.12.1425625796767; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:09:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 23:09:55 -0800 (PST) From: guskant To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <176acd59d96b035a4d948f57b10ead1e.squirrel@www.ccil.org> <6c4c0bcc-ba7c-4c74-8916-882371604210@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_460_554982875.1425625795639" X-Original-Sender: gusni.kantu@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_460_554982875.1425625795639 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_461_1075701204.1425625795640" ------=_Part_461_1075701204.1425625795640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 15:19:11 UTC+9, la gleki a =C3=A9crit : > > > > 2015-03-06 3:18 GMT+03:00 guskant >: > >> >> >> My suggestion is based on {se detri}, and it does not restrict the=20 >> calendar to Gregorian. When you set the catendar to {lo nau me mi}, you = can=20 >> use {masnpa} for "next month", or you can creat {maslni'upa} for "last= =20 >> month". >> > This will require some explanations in the grammar to avoid adding=20 > infinite number of such words to dictionaries. > =20 > It is already clear from the definitions of the words. Besides, I don't=20 recommend such a usage as I said as below: =20 > However, using the series for that purpose is not very lojbo, because=20 >> there are aleph-null number of months, and number of brivla should be=20 >> finite, and lojban words should not conjugate. For such a purpose, we=20 >> should use a cmavo of MOI like {moi'o}. >> > =20 > =20 >> > You seem to be confused with BAI. My suggestion is brivla based on {se=20 >> detri} for recurring system. >> > BAI are usually shorter. > =20 > As for BAI, I've already suggested {de'i'V} series in my last two messages. =20 > >> Moreover, your numbering system is European style, but I prefer ISO 8601= =20 >> style. In both case, {pi'e}s are omissible. To make the meaning clearer,= =20 >> you can mention a phrase [noi sinxa lo nanca/masti/jeftu/djedi ku'o]. >> > > For me one number in {de'i} denotes day of month , two numbers D-M, three= =20 > numbers D-M-Y, four numbers D-week number-M-Y. > Otherwise {de'i li pare} becomes ambiguous between Day 12 / December /=20 > Year 12 A.D. > > The official definition of {de'i}/{detri} does not suggest that. {detri}=20 based lujvo series discussed in my last message would help us out of the=20 ambiguity between {nanca}-, {masti}-, {jeftu}-, {djedi}-types of {detri}_1. =20 mu'o --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 15:19:11 UTC+9, la gleki a= =C3=A9crit :


2015-03-06 3:18 GMT+03:00 gusk= ant <gusni...@gmail.com>:


My suggestion is based = on {se detri}, and it does not restrict the calendar to Gregorian. When you= set the catendar to {lo nau me mi}, you can use {masnpa} for "next month",= or you can creat {maslni'upa} for "last month".
This will require some explanations in the grammar to avoid adding infin= ite number of such words to dictionaries.
 

It is already clear from the defini= tions of the words. Besides, I don't recommend such a usage as I said as be= low:
 
However, using the series for that purpose is not very lojbo, be= cause there are aleph-null number of months, and number of brivla should be= finite, and lojban words should not conjugate. For such a purpose, we shou= ld use a cmavo of MOI like {moi'o}.

 
 
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You seem to be confused with BAI. = My suggestion is brivla based on {se detri} for recurring system.
BAI are usually shorter.
 

As for BAI, I've already suggest= ed {de'i'V} series in my last two messages.

 =

<= div>Moreover, your numbering system is European style, but I prefer ISO 860= 1 style. In both case, {pi'e}s are omissible. To make the meaning clearer, = you can mention a phrase [noi sinxa lo nanca/masti/jeftu/djedi ku'o].
=

For me one number in {de'i} denotes = day of month , two numbers D-M, three numbers D-M-Y, four numbers D-week nu= mber-M-Y.
Otherwise {de'i li pare} becomes ambiguous between Day = 12 / December / Year 12 A.D.


The official definition of {de'i}/{detri} does not= suggest that. {detri} based lujvo series discussed in my last message woul= d help us out of the ambiguity between {nanca}-, {masti}-, {jeftu}-, {djedi= }-types of {detri}_1.
 
mu'o
<= div>

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