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[2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6si67435wix.0.2015.03.05.23.32.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-we0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id w55so4324838wes.3 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.216.34 with SMTP id on2mr27414909wjc.24.1425627122991; Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:32:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.240.197 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 23:31:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <176acd59d96b035a4d948f57b10ead1e.squirrel@www.ccil.org> <6c4c0bcc-ba7c-4c74-8916-882371604210@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 10:31:42 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form) To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d14c23f88ab051099ae5b X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013d14c23f88ab051099ae5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-03-06 10:09 GMT+03:00 guskant : > > > Le vendredi 6 mars 2015 15:19:11 UTC+9, la gleki a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> >> 2015-03-06 3:18 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >>> >>> >>> My suggestion is based on {se detri}, and it does not restrict the >>> calendar to Gregorian. When you set the catendar to {lo nau me mi}, you= can >>> use {masnpa} for "next month", or you can creat {maslni'upa} for "last >>> month". >>> >> This will require some explanations in the grammar to avoid adding >> infinite number of such words to dictionaries. >> >> > > It is already clear from the definitions of the words. Besides, I don't > recommend such a usage as I said as below: > I mean if someone uses {maslni'upanonore} a nintadni listener wont be able to find this word in dictionaries. Lojban is usually presented as an isolating language and newbies may not be prepared for agglutination. > > >> However, using the series for that purpose is not very lojbo, because >>> there are aleph-null number of months, and number of brivla should be >>> finite, and lojban words should not conjugate. For such a purpose, we >>> should use a cmavo of MOI like {moi'o}. >>> >> > > >> >>> >> You seem to be confused with BAI. My suggestion is brivla based on {se >>> detri} for recurring system. >>> >> BAI are usually shorter. >> >> > > As for BAI, I've already suggested {de'i'V} series in my last two message= s. > > > >> >>> Moreover, your numbering system is European style, but I prefer ISO 860= 1 >>> style. In both case, {pi'e}s are omissible. To make the meaning clearer= , >>> you can mention a phrase [noi sinxa lo nanca/masti/jeftu/djedi ku'o]. >>> >> >> For me one number in {de'i} denotes day of month , two numbers D-M, thre= e >> numbers D-M-Y, four numbers D-week number-M-Y. >> Otherwise {de'i li pare} becomes ambiguous between Day 12 / December / >> Year 12 A.D. >> >> > The official definition of {de'i}/{detri} does not suggest that. > It was suggested in L4B: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less5dates.html > {detri} based lujvo series discussed in my last message would help us out > of the ambiguity between {nanca}-, {masti}-, {jeftu}-, {djedi}-types of > {detri}_1. > I just prefer isolating style where one isn't required to learn numerous words but instead to combine already learnt words. > > mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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2015-03-06 10:09 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com><= /span>:


Le vendredi 6 mars 201= 5 15:19:11 UTC+9, la gleki a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:


2015-03-06 3:= 18 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni...@gma= il.com>:

=

My suggestion is based on {se detri}, and = it does not restrict the calendar to Gregorian. When you set the catendar t= o {lo nau me mi}, you can use {masnpa} for "next month", or you c= an creat {maslni'upa} for "last month".
This will require some explanations in the grammar to avoid adding = infinite number of such words to dictionaries.
=C2=A0
=

It is already clear fro= m the definitions of the words. Besides, I don't recommend such a usage= as I said as below:

I mean if = someone uses {maslni'upanonore} =C2=A0a nintadni listener wont be able = to find this word in dictionaries.

Lojban is usual= ly presented as an isolating language and newbies may not be prepared for a= gglutination.
= =C2=A0
However, using the series for th= at purpose is not very lojbo, because there are aleph-null number of months= , and number of brivla should be finite, and lojban words should not conjug= ate. For such a purpose, we should use a cmavo of MOI like {moi'o}.

=C2=A0
=C2=A0=
You seem to be confused with BAI. My suggestion is= brivla based on {se detri} for recurring system.
<= div>BAI are usually shorter.
=C2=A0

As for BAI, I've already suggested {de'i= 'V} series in my last two messages.

=C2=A0

Moreover, y= our numbering system is European style, but I prefer ISO 8601 style. In bot= h case, {pi'e}s are omissible. To make the meaning clearer, you can men= tion a phrase [noi sinxa lo nanca/masti/jeftu/djedi ku'o].
<= /blockquote>

For me one number in {de'i} denotes day= of month , two numbers D-M, three numbers D-M-Y, four numbers D-week numbe= r-M-Y.
Otherwise {de'i li pare} becomes ambiguous between Day= 12 / December / Year 12 A.D.


The official definition of {de'i}/{det= ri} does not suggest that.

It w= as suggested in L4B:

=C2=A0
{detri} based lujvo series discu= ssed in my last message would help us out of the ambiguity between {nanca}-= , {masti}-, {jeftu}-, {djedi}-types of {detri}_1.
<= div>
I just prefer isolating style where one isn't requir= ed to learn numerous words but instead to combine already learnt words.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
= mu'o

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