Received: from mail-yk0-f191.google.com ([209.85.160.191]:33514) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YdfBk-0006Eu-Mp; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:29:48 -0700 Received: by ykq19 with SMTP id 19sf28159993ykq.0; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=lCP9qmVW5gBzXunrcQmwPtmwewIqahNfNDf3iIpL9ZE=; b=DVyADR15KKo/gFsG4fiZ00ypQeQ6bMDmPsFxBV/RBBcdYb3Q0cqXG5Y4O2Vgu56NjF ZW5YdQ6ZTVBEypunJx1fjk9LiAwXllERNSVXCrywTNvEfq+5OyCH1ddJP5001BJWAKPV NdY6oi6Ld5FOPs8XOrUndSw7ZKVIzQG/TsK69sNRcQ/Q+lHF+fVavFjKyL3In4ljBj2i S5G+mDl16SHmj56PDaWEDuaBrsv6m3MgRSG7G4D850sFfXQCFaXQZ5QDAlcv+G1Ifdgy gY6E9UxM4r6UWBIWzhomSHvC3tnsSJXe/7FAKLZ5VxslQaovNExoNHVNvkLzmmm7riSd 4oQA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=lCP9qmVW5gBzXunrcQmwPtmwewIqahNfNDf3iIpL9ZE=; b=P7n2/izkl/R5zUPmCZ882fvSJov7VVBUfDQXm1dMA0dK2AXLokISaRDY7Csa1MI9Fy GzFwJ9YBXJ2z+QmDetKMUzY6gJiLC+3lTcfbORuaJKhkrBuIJY8d/1knQsuR24xHzJit 6xInVLdwXV4dhvZS+A3M/JCgQjy8ZsqWlA8HMo2vJfFmhMO61D64DcApiuQiIfePs3Ke UaSg0CGs5K1U3nXCnz8hF8PzrU9ZkkqlusX1qW5R9TxFGf2xepJ8cZXnNrXE9Hkaz9BK U+KrlsoIa5TJ+/Su48Ao+427wUxsSFHl8smKWRZVXE59awCTDB3a4PsABQo8LWVwS/Wk ldSg== X-Received: by 10.50.221.44 with SMTP id qb12mr317344igc.11.1427981374083; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.5.208 with SMTP id 199ls162424iof.39.gmail; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.111.68 with SMTP id ig4mr8799igb.1.1427981373599; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: guskant To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1542A73D520E49BDB44789AB54497FDC@gmail.com> <18dc465b-e285-4721-a84a-389b2d5f10c6@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [bpfk] selma'o ZEhEI and PEG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_9443_166650946.1427981372380" X-Original-Sender: gusni.kantu@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_9443_166650946.1427981372380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9444_583773734.1427981372380" ------=_Part_9444_583773734.1427981372380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 21:04:19 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:23 AM, guskant wrote: >> >> Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 12:44:55 UTC+9, la stela selckiku a =C3=A9crit : >>> >>> .e'u ru'e cmavo ma'oi si >>> mi'e .tel. >>> >> > xamgu sidbo=20 > > .uanai xu va'o lo nu da'i go'i kei la tersmu ka'e sanji lo lidne be zo=20 >> ze'ei .i ganai na go'i gi ty srera lo ka jimpe >> > > .i ja'a sanji .i .ei zo si poi cmavo ku'o .e nai lo selma'o be zo si cu= =20 > vimcu lo lidne valsi > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > =20 > ,ui go'i iseki'ubo mi tugni lo du'u zo ze'ei cmavo ma'oi si Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 21:20:02 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3=A9crit : > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:28 AM, guskant > > wrote: > >> >> However, in considering the definitions of cmavo using {ze'ei}, I am=20 >> inclined to make it of selma'o {GOI} rather than {MAI}. >> It is because definitions like {iu bu ze'ei ku} are not grammatical.=20 >> There are many cmavo that cannot stand alone. Those cmavo should be defi= ned=20 >> with a statement, not with an expanded form of the defined cmavo. >> >> Using {ze'ei} of GOI, the definition of {xo'e} will be: >> >> zo pa ze'ei zo zo'e >> > > I thought the point of "ze'ei" was to create members of any selma'o, like= =20 > BU does for selma'o BY and ZEI for BRIVLA, not to define new words. I'm n= ot=20 > sure I see the point of having a cmavo dedicated to one-word definitions. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > .ie .i ku'i .ei zo ze'ei cu na pagbu lo'e te tamgau be lo cmavo noi lacri= =20 lo drata lo ka gendra ni'o di'e lo te tamgau be zo ze'ei vau .e'apei {ze'ei} of selma'o SI Definition: Change the meaning of the following word to that of the preceding word=20 without changing the syntactic role of it. galfi lo smuni be lo pa valsi noi se lidne be vo'a ku'o lo smuni be lo pa= =20 valsi noi lidne be vo'a Notes: See also {zei} srana zo {zei} Example: pruxi ze'ei la'e lo te pemci noi morsi cu ru'i jmive ne'i lo pemci mu'o =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. 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Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 21:04:19 UTC+9, xorxes a =C3= =A9crit :

xamgu sidbo 


.i ja'a sanji .i .ei zo si poi cmavo ku'o .e nai lo selma= 'o be zo si cu vimcu lo lidne valsi

mu'o mi'e xorx= es
  


 ,ui go'i iseki'ubo mi tugni lo du'u zo ze'ei cm= avo ma'oi si


Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 21:20:02 UTC+9, = xorxes a =C3=A9crit :


On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at= 12:28 AM, guskant <gusni...@gmail.com> wrote:

However, in consid= ering the definitions of cmavo using {ze'ei}, I am inclined to make it of s= elma'o {GOI} rather than {MAI}.
It is because definitions like {i= u bu ze'ei ku} are not grammatical. There are many cmavo that cannot stand = alone. Those cmavo should be defined with a statement, not with an expanded= form of the defined cmavo.

Using {ze'ei} of GOI, = the definition of {xo'e} will be:

zo pa ze'ei zo z= o'e

I thought the point of "ze'= ei" was to create members of any selma'o, like BU does for selma'o BY and Z= EI for BRIVLA, not to define new words. I'm not sure I see the point of hav= ing a cmavo dedicated to one-word definitions.

mu'= o mi'e xorxes


<= /div>
.ie .i ku'i .ei zo ze'ei cu na pagbu lo'e te tamgau be lo cmavo n= oi lacri lo drata lo ka gendra

ni'o di'e lo te tam= gau be zo ze'ei vau .e'apei


{z= e'ei} of selma'o SI

Definition:
Change t= he meaning of the following word to that of the preceding word without chan= ging the syntactic role of it.
galfi lo smuni be lo pa valsi noi = se lidne be vo'a ku'o lo smuni be lo pa valsi noi lidne be vo'a
<= br>
Notes:
See also {zei}
srana zo {zei}

Example:
pruxi ze'ei la'e lo te pemci noi mo= rsi cu ru'i jmive ne'i lo pemci


mu'o

 

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