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Subject: Re: [bpfk] Proposal: sumti must always be tagged with "tag" even if
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> So this is what I propose:
>
> abs_term_1 = expr:(abs_tag_term / termset) {return _node("abs_term_1",
> expr);}
>
> abs_tag_term = expr:((!gek tag free* !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti /
> joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible free*) / !gek (tag / FA_elidible) free*
> !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti)  / !gek (sumti free*) CO_clause tag free* /
> NA_clause free* KU_clause free* / !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek
> !gihek NA_clause free* KU_elidible free* / SOI_clause free* subsentence
>

Let me see if I can understand that:

 abs_tag_term =
   !gek tag !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible)
 / !gek (tag / FA_elidible) !selbri !gek_sentence sumti
 / !gek sumti CO_clause tag
 / NA_clause KU_clause
 / !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible
 / SOI_clause subsentence

What does "abs_" stand for? Is it really necessary to have two parallel
sets of term rules?

Can you give some motivation for the "tag joik_ek sumti_3" term? No "FA
joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it? Also you allow "CO tag" but no "CO FA"? I
think you need the CO rule to go before the FA_elidible rule, or it will
never be reached.

 "NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn't capture anything
that wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek
NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes for the first "sumti", it doesn't
catch anything that wouldn't be caught by the second one.

What does the SOI term mean? Is there a new proposed meaning for "soi"? Is
it something like "lo poi'i"?

BTW, are there any plans to get rid of SA, or are people still in love with
it? It makes the grammar so much harder to read.

I don't really have any useful comments at this point because I'm still not
up to speed with all the changes in this grammar.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br><=
/div><div>So this is what I propose:</div><div><br></div><div>abs_term_1 =
=3D expr:(abs_tag_term / termset) {return _node(&quot;abs_term_1&quot;, exp=
r);}<br></div><div><br></div><div>abs_tag_term =3D expr:((!gek tag free* !s=
elbri !gek_sentence (sumti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible free*) / !gek (t=
ag / FA_elidible) free* !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti) =C2=A0/ !gek (sumti f=
ree*) CO_clause tag free* / NA_clause free* KU_clause free* / !selbri !gek_=
sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause free* KU_elidible free* / SOI_claus=
e free* subsentence=C2=A0<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>L=
et me see if I can understand that:=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0ab=
s_tag_term =3D=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0!gek tag !selbri !gek_sentence =
(sumti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible)</div><div>=C2=A0/ !gek (tag / FA_el=
idible) !selbri !gek_sentence sumti</div><div>=C2=A0/ !gek sumti CO_clause =
tag</div><div>=C2=A0/ NA_clause KU_clause</div><div>=C2=A0/ !selbri !gek_se=
ntence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible</div><div>=C2=A0/ SOI_cla=
use subsentence=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><div>What does &quot;abs_&qu=
ot; stand for? Is it really necessary to have two parallel sets of term rul=
es?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Can you give some motivation for the &qu=
ot;tag joik_ek sumti_3&quot; term? No &quot;FA joik_ek sumti_3&quot; to go =
with it? Also you allow &quot;CO tag&quot; but no &quot;CO FA&quot;? I thin=
k you need the CO rule to go before the FA_elidible rule, or it will never =
be reached.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0&quot;NA_clause KU_clause&quot; =
seems unnecessary, since it doesn&#39;t capture anything that wouldn&#39;t =
be captured by &quot;!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause K=
U_elidible&quot; does it? Same goes for the first &quot;sumti&quot;, it doe=
sn&#39;t catch anything that wouldn&#39;t be caught by the second one.</div=
><div><br></div><div>What does the SOI term mean? Is there a new proposed m=
eaning for &quot;soi&quot;? Is it something like &quot;lo poi&#39;i&quot;?=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, are there any plans to get rid of SA, =
or are people still in love with it? It makes the grammar so much harder to=
 read.</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t really have any useful comments=
 at this point because I&#39;m still not up to speed with all the changes i=
n this grammar.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div=
><br></div></div></div></div>

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