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Is it really necessary to have two parallel > sets of term rules? > Sorry, not me made these modifications. > > Can you give some motivation for the "tag joik_ek sumti_3" term? No "FA > joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it? > I think this is the answer: tag =3D expr:(tense_modal (joik_jek tense_modal)*) {return _node("tag", expr); } tense_modal =3D expr:((NAhE_clause? SE_clause? (BAI_clause / CAhA_clause / CUhE_clause / KI_clause / ZI_clause / PU_clause / VA_clause / MOhI_clause? FAhA_clause / ZEhA_clause / VEhA_clause / VIhA_clause / FEhE_clause? ( VEI_clause mex VEhO_elidible / number ) ROI_clause / FEhE_clause? TAhE_clause / FEhE_clause? ZAhO_clause / FIhO_clause free* selbri FEhU_elidible / FA_clause) free*)+) {return _node("tense_modal", expr); } Thus FA is a tense modal now. > Also you allow "CO tag" but no "CO FA"? I think you need the CO rule to g= o > before the FA_elidible rule, or it will never be reached. > right > > "NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn't capture > anything that wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_je= k > !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes for the first "sumti", i= t > doesn't catch anything that wouldn't be caught by the second one. > Which two sumti ? In front of tag and then in front of FA_elidible? > What does the SOI term mean? Is there a new proposed meaning for "soi"? I= s > it something like "lo poi'i"? > > BTW, are there any plans to get rid of SA, or are people still in love > with it? It makes the grammar so much harder to read. > > I don't really have any useful comments at this point because I'm still > not up to speed with all the changes in this grammar. > if i can do anything on technical side to help you pls let me know. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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2015-04-07 1:52 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >:

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 a= t 7:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

So this is = what I propose:

abs_term_1 =3D expr:(abs_tag_term = / termset) {return _node("abs_term_1", expr);}

=
abs_tag_term =3D expr:((!gek tag free* !selbri !gek_sentence (su= mti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible free*) / !gek (tag / FA_elidible) free*= !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti) =C2=A0/ !gek (sumti free*) CO_clause tag fre= e* / NA_clause free* KU_clause free* / !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek = !gihek NA_clause free* KU_elidible free* / SOI_clause free* subsentence=C2= =A0

Let me see if I = can understand that:=C2=A0

=C2=A0abs_tag_term =3D= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0!gek tag !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti / joik_= ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible)
=C2=A0/ !gek (tag / FA_elidible) !selbr= i !gek_sentence sumti
=C2=A0/ !gek sumti CO_clause tag
= =C2=A0/ NA_clause KU_clause
=C2=A0/ !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !jo= ik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible
=C2=A0/ SOI_clause subsentenc= e=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Well, for FA_elidible it can be just =C2=A0" !gek FA_elidible su= mti / "
although right now I don't why gek is disallowed= .


What does "= ;abs_" stand for? Is it really necessary to have two parallel sets of = term rules?

S= orry, not me made these modifications.
=C2=A0
<= div>
Can you give some motivation for the "tag joik_ek s= umti_3" term? No "FA joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it?


I think thi= s is the answer:

tag =3D expr:(tense_modal (joik_j= ek tense_modal)*) {return _node("tag", expr); }

tense_modal =3D expr:((NAhE_clause? SE_clause?=C2=A0
= (BAI_clause / CAhA_clause / CUhE_clause / KI_clause / ZI_clause / PU_clause= / VA_clause / MOhI_clause? FAhA_clause / ZEhA_clause / VEhA_clause / VIhA_= clause / FEhE_clause? ( VEI_clause mex VEhO_elidible / number ) ROI_clause = / FEhE_clause? TAhE_clause / FEhE_clause? ZAhO_clause / FIhO_clause free* s= elbri FEhU_elidible / FA_clause) free*)+) {return _node("tense_modal&q= uot;, expr); }


Thus FA is a tense m= odal now.

=C2=A0
Also you allow "= ;CO tag" but no "CO FA"? I think you need the CO rule to go = before the FA_elidible rule, or it will never be reached.
=

right
=C2=A0

=C2=A0"NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnece= ssary, since it doesn't capture anything that wouldn't be captured = by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible&q= uot; does it? Same goes for the first "sumti", it doesn't cat= ch anything that wouldn't be caught by the second one.

Which two sumti ? In front of tag a= nd then in front of FA_elidible?=C2=A0


What does the SOI term mean? Is there a new proposed meani= ng for "soi"? Is it something like "lo poi'i"?=C2= =A0

BTW, are there any plans to get rid of SA, or = are people still in love with it? It makes the grammar so much harder to re= ad.

I don't really have any useful comments at= this point because I'm still not up to speed with all the changes in t= his grammar.

if i c= an do anything on technical side to help you pls let me know.
=C2= =A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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