Received: from mail-wg0-f56.google.com ([74.125.82.56]:34019) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yfcwm-0004c5-Do; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:27 -0700 Received: by wggy19 with SMTP id y19sf24201885wgg.1; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=ZVdgd9l7hswXf6KEtBGvNVIVRXqYdzznLfQQ4LcDz30=; b=w+65tYJcuUeutAxz51j7oAGhpBBr1MpqpL5cmncltQ9Exo4xf+QpX/+Dp9QyA79ixz DVivglFjrZ9YnuYfWxZDqVdGvaggWOamIRkJ+CkR/+SLqOqC6qRkohV6IjdNIVoyqot2 ts/oij7BoKtz+ln/jKKdvjk3fqYInwzymNivCPx48ay5LbZms5YHMPmXidKq+2aXgyja xXCGjOpgN2bOi127jiUcbZUow0VB7TK4cqI5w0ooj68r5T7ZdHY7z4h8FgCJR/0PkAyg 8QnMAF44zVKKhSMe3FbhvYcA/sjj3KV39CkCY7jMs47H79vLveh6ZinJHLHTl/0IwhOO BKUg== X-Received: by 10.180.99.226 with SMTP id et2mr49542wib.11.1428449412725; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.210.238 with SMTP id mx14ls211104wic.54.gmail; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.89.36 with SMTP id bl4mr858419wib.2.1428449412477; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sf8si524764wic.2.2015.04.07.16.30.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::229; Received: by mail-wi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id a2so37560677wia.0 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.83.136 with SMTP id q8mr9050963wiy.39.1428449412419; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.56.18 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 20:30:12 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Proposal: sumti must always be tagged with "tag" even if it's elidible. From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444029ece94c605132acb6a X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.4 X-Spam_score_int: -23 X-Spam_bar: -- --f46d0444029ece94c605132acb6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > 2015-04-07 1:52 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >> >> >> abs_tag_term =3D >> !gek tag !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible= ) >> / !gek (tag / FA_elidible) !selbri !gek_sentence sumti >> / !gek sumti CO_clause tag >> / NA_clause KU_clause >> / !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidible >> / SOI_clause subsentence >> > >> Can you give some motivation for the "tag joik_ek sumti_3" term? No "FA >> joik_ek sumti_3" to go with it? >> > ... > Thus FA is a tense modal now. > I see. What about the first question, how do we interpret "bai .e do"? Is it "bai [zo'e] .e do"? "NA_clause KU_clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn't capture anything >> that wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek >> NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes for the first "sumti", it does= n't >> catch anything that wouldn't be caught by the second one. >> > > Which two sumti ? In front of tag and then in front of FA_elidible? > Yes (do you really think of the right side of a rule as the "front"?) The first "sumti" is not needed, just as the "NA_clause KU_clause". They don't contribute anything. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --f46d0444029ece94c605132acb6a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:
2015-04-07 1:52 GMT+03:00= Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
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=C2=A0abs_tag_term =3D=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0!ge= k tag !selbri !gek_sentence (sumti / joik_ek sumti_3 / KU_elidible)
=C2=A0/ !gek (tag / FA_elidible) !selbri !gek_sentence sumti
= =C2=A0/ !gek sumti CO_clause tag
=C2=A0/ NA_clause KU_clause
=C2=A0/ !selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihek NA_clause KU_elidi= ble
=C2=A0/ SOI_clause subsentence=C2=A0
<= /blockquote>

Can you give some motivation for the "tag= joik_ek sumti_3" term? No "FA joik_ek sumti_3" to go with i= t?
...
Thus FA is= a tense modal now.

I see. What about the first question, how do we interpret "bai .e do&= quot;?=C2=A0 Is it "bai [zo'e] .e do"?


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=C2=A0"NA_clause KU_= clause" seems unnecessary, since it doesn't capture anything that = wouldn't be captured by "!selbri !gek_sentence !ek !joik_jek !gihe= k NA_clause KU_elidible" does it? Same goes for the first "sumti&= quot;, it doesn't catch anything that wouldn't be caught by the sec= ond one.

Whi= ch two sumti ? In front of tag and then in front of FA_elidible?=C2=A0

Yes (do you really thin= k of the right side of a rule as the "front"?) =C2=A0
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The first "sumti" is not needed, just as the "= NA_clause KU_clause". They don't contribute anything.
= =C2=A0
mu'o mi'e xorxes

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