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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:02 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Le mercredi 8 avril 2015 06:52:23 UTC+9, Jacob Errington a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>>
>> .i ko'a brodrfV lo du'u broda <=3D> broda fV ko'a
>>
>> The definition should be then :
>
> .i ko'a brodrfV lo ka fV ce'u broda <=3D> broda fV ko'a
>

I don't know. Is it different from "ckaji"?

.i ca'e ko'e du lo ka ce'u citka lo cakla kei lo ka lo cakla cu se citka
ce'u

.i ca'e ko'a citka lo cakla

.i xu ko'a brodrfa ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfe ko'e .i xu ko'a brodrfi ko'e

The problem is that FA doesn't deal with propositions or with properties. A
proposition is independent of the text used to express it. A property also
is independent of the text used to express it. Different texts can be used
to express the same proposition, or the same property.

We can't have predicates that relate a proposition or a property to its
"fa-argument", its "fe-argument", and so on, because
propositions/properties don't have such things. It is only some of the
texts used to express the propositions/properties that can may consist of a
predicate with fa-/fe-/fi-arguments, but not the du'u/ka themselves.

We could have "ko'a brodrfa lu lo nixli cu citka lo cakla li'u" meaning
that "ko'a du lo nixli", (via "ko'a du la'e lo'u lo nixli le'u") but I
don't think it really makes sense with du'u or ka.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:02 PM, guskant <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:gusni.kantu@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gusni.kantu@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=
=3D"">Le mercredi 8 avril 2015 06:52:23 UTC+9, Jacob Errington a =C3=A9crit=
=C2=A0:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-le=
ft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><spa=
n class=3D""><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>.i ko=
&#39;a brodrfV lo du&#39;u broda &lt;=3D&gt; broda fV ko&#39;a<br><br></div=
></div></div></div></span></div></blockquote><div>The definition should be =
then :</div><div><br></div><div>.i ko&#39;a brodrfV lo ka fV ce&#39;u broda=
 &lt;=3D&gt; broda fV ko&#39;a</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
I don&#39;t know. Is it different from &quot;ckaji&quot;?=C2=A0</div><div><=
br></div><div>.i ca&#39;e ko&#39;e du lo ka ce&#39;u citka lo cakla kei lo =
ka lo cakla cu se citka ce&#39;u</div><div><br></div><div>.i ca&#39;e ko=
9;a citka lo cakla</div><div><br></div><div>.i xu ko&#39;a brodrfa ko&#39;e=
 .i xu ko&#39;a brodrfe ko&#39;e .i xu ko&#39;a brodrfi ko&#39;e</div><div>=
<br></div><div>The problem is that FA doesn&#39;t deal with propositions or=
 with properties. A proposition is independent of the text used to express =
it. A property also is independent of the text used to express it. Differen=
t texts can be used to express the same proposition, or the same property.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>We can&#39;t have predicates that relate a =
proposition or a property to its &quot;fa-argument&quot;, its &quot;fe-argu=
ment&quot;, and so on, because propositions/properties don&#39;t have such =
things. It is only some of the texts used to express the propositions/prope=
rties that can may consist of a predicate with fa-/fe-/fi-arguments, but no=
t the du&#39;u/ka themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>We could have &quot;=
ko&#39;a brodrfa lu lo nixli cu citka lo cakla li&#39;u&quot; meaning that =
&quot;ko&#39;a du lo nixli&quot;, (via &quot;ko&#39;a du la&#39;e lo&#39;u =
lo nixli le&#39;u&quot;) but I don&#39;t think it really makes sense with d=
u&#39;u or ka.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=
<br></div></div></div></div>

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