Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 22:01:37 -0700 (PDT)
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Le mardi 2 juin 2015 03:41:39 UTC, Pierre Abbat a =C3=A9crit :
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2015 23:07:23 guskant wrote:=20
> > So created I {jednPA} series as names for days of the week:=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednpa=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednre=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednci=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednvo=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednmu=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednxa=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednze=20
> > In the system Gregorian, {jedlno} can be substituted for {jednze}:=20
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jedlno=20
>
> We already have three sets of names of days of the week; why do we need a=
=20
> fourth? Though this set is obviously related to "nondei, pavdei, li'o".=
=20
> (Galician-Portuguese has two; I'm not aware of another natlang with more=
=20
> than=20
> one.)=20
>

It is for the same reason as {masnPA} proposal. Because of the definition=
=20
of {djedi}, lujvo ending with rafsi {-dei} signifies a full day, which is=
=20
duration, that is a length on time axis, not a date. In order to describe=
=20
unambiguously an event on a day of the week, we need a word for the day of=
=20
the week that inherit the place structure of {detri}, which signifies a=20
point on time axis.=20

We could make a lujvo like {jefydeipavdetri}, though I prefer a shorter=20
fu'ivla for convenience. If you don't like Stage-4 fu'ivla, you can use=20
lujvo {jefydeidetri} that I created for defining each fu'ivla of {jednPA}=
=20
series, as well as corresponding BAI {de'i'u}.=20

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le mardi 2 juin 2015 03:41:39 UTC, Pierre Abbat a =
=C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Sunday, Ma=
y 31, 2015 23:07:23 guskant wrote:
<br>&gt; So created I {jednPA} series as names for days of the week:
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednpa" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednpa\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNGFs5slUEKwbGquqZLtf2_xYiwX_Q';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednpa\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGFs5slUEKwbGquqZLtf2_xYiwX_Q=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednpa</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednre" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednre\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNEdk4p90Sq5htMa6kkAgQdv7A9IpA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednre\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEdk4p90Sq5htMa6kkAgQdv7A9IpA=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednre</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednci" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednci\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNFZLyp2zwaKTRbE09RbyR1zhlGltQ';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednci\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFZLyp2zwaKTRbE09RbyR1zhlGltQ=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednci</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednvo" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednvo\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNFgNlNQ1jP7rZUKA_6vl7V1CtGa5A';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednvo\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFgNlNQ1jP7rZUKA_6vl7V1CtGa5A=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednvo</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednmu" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednmu\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNFYoY9NiovsdxNejz0tMt-PM8QcAA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednmu\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFYoY9NiovsdxNejz0tMt-PM8QcAA=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednmu</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednxa" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednxa\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNHENj6IxOA9lOCia_9np98LfltJxA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednxa\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHENj6IxOA9lOCia_9np98LfltJxA=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednxa</a>
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jednze" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjednze\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNFymauqk23t_lhEwM4T3BMpn9DX7g';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjednze\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFymauqk23t_lhEwM4T3BMpn9DX7g=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jednze</a>
<br>&gt; In the system Gregorian, {jedlno} can be substituted for {jednze}:
<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jedlno" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?=
q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdict%2Fjedlno\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\=
46usg\75AFQjCNHla2Hub-PJP6DoTDJtIxxGdWp-MA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.h=
ref=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbovlaste.lojban.org%2Fdi=
ct%2Fjedlno\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHla2Hub-PJP6DoTDJtIxxGdWp-MA=
';return true;">http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/<wbr>dict/jedlno</a>
<br>
<br>We already have three sets of names of days of the week; why do we need=
 a=20
<br>fourth? Though this set is obviously related to "nondei, pavdei, li'o".=
=20
<br>(Galician-Portuguese has two; I'm not aware of another natlang with mor=
e than=20
<br>one.)
<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is for the same reason as {masnPA} prop=
osal. Because of the definition of {djedi}, lujvo ending with rafsi {-dei} =
signifies a full day, which is duration, that is a length on time axis, not=
 a date. In order to describe unambiguously an event on a day of the week, =
we need a word for the day of the week that inherit the place structure of =
{detri}, which signifies a point on time axis.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>We could make a lujvo like {jefydeipavdetri}, though I prefer a shorter =
fu'ivla for convenience. If you don't like Stage-4 fu'ivla, you can use luj=
vo {jefydeidetri} that I created for defining each fu'ivla of {jednPA} seri=
es, as well as corresponding BAI {de'i'u}.&nbsp;</div></div>

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