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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si396939wiz.3.2015.06.11.01.58.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b; Received: by mail-wi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id ut5so68473982wib.1 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.97.196 with SMTP id ec4mr14817685wjb.3.1434013119915; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.208] ([95.147.224.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gh3sm36717wjb.36.2015.06.11.01.58.38 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jun 2015 01:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55794DC4.6060603@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:58:44 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: Grammar of letterals and numerals in {li} References: <6bc3c6e0-da14-47e1-81b5-94c4ebc9fb80@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <6bc3c6e0-da14-47e1-81b5-94c4ebc9fb80@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - spheniscine@gmail.com, On 11/06/2015 04:16: > Again, think about addresses (e.g. 11A; technically is a number - do > we have to use pa'ypa'y just because of the A at the end of it?), "11A" is "eleven ay", even if in English it (especially with longer numbers= ) might be read as "one one ay" (for instance, I pronounce my address as "o= ne seven two"). It means "Ath unit in 11th plot". If you were translating t= o a language that uses a different number base, you'd translate to that lan= guage's term for "eleven", not to that language's term for whichever number= is represented by digit string "11". Consulting my meagre knowledge of nat= ural languages, when rendering House number 11 in languages other than Engl= ish, you'd use that language's conventions for rendering house numbers, whi= ch may exclude the "one one" option (as I vaguely think Italian does). All of which is to say, the rendering of "11A" in Lojban should be somethin= g that includes the number Eleven. OTOH, there is a different sense of "postal address" as a character string = such that if written on an envelope it will reliably get sent to the right = address. That is just a sequence of letters and numerals. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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