Received: from mail-ob0-f191.google.com ([209.85.214.191]:33656) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIE0g-0004ry-MW; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:46:05 -0700 Received: by obbdh8 with SMTP id dh8sf93365657obb.0; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=2+M48azdC74Vw6zCgPTWcClsqbGSimatJHIXB/1T0z8=; b=CqtBfgNSO2DdrsZJeAfSkFNivyQoAodEbDF3w7A8ZjBP2sl93F0Rpt3sQtdEnVlodG EAZJuRijFi/f4D3T3DP5ehbTXsnNgT6ZnoCIMURIddlioFPJOFlxo050jekiTUVha+Hd jonaLiWa9A8JpcwYVW5AzelrCiN8gtWgXCF2YU168oR+JPUFkp1UWZuBEB97qs9HDvR9 GLCMx0wxsv9xi5g++ntVY3KkF7hfWfkJs9EyWE3BYjWt7zNDQZxjW8ji2grfoo4ti2ge U72mLEhW1hBi6i8cdK/IPAjMyiwbckzXyPXWt9qn1uqr3U/kFPMcuyNN4HzLyKXATvit xNBg== X-Received: by 10.140.106.247 with SMTP id e110mr150745qgf.7.1437648348911; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.91.139 with SMTP id z11ls897169qgd.17.gmail; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.129.91.137 with SMTP id p131mr7575729ywb.0.1437648348569; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x23c.google.com (mail-pd0-x23c.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400e:c02::23c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x3si767058pdh.2.2015.07.23.03.45.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of spheniscine@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::23c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c02::23c; Received: by pdbnk16 with SMTP id nk16so71701267pdb.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.102.71 with SMTP id fm7mr270870igb.8.1437648348473; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban Cc: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com, spheniscine@gmail.com Message-Id: <9ab9570e-9ea2-40cd-828f-03a1a8532621@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <68d4ecc6-6c91-431d-b62f-f1499742d240@googlegroups.com> Subject: [bpfk] Re: Internal grammar of UI, NAI and CAI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_871_759201849.1437648347180" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of spheniscine@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::23c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=spheniscine@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_871_759201849.1437648347180 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181" ------=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is difficult to represent that elliptical illocution though. Either {ge'e} can represent an illocution or evidential as well, which makes it extremely vague, or it can only express UI1-type emotions, in which case it isn't useful here. On the other hand, there may not be enough justification to create a cmavo to represent it. Or perhaps we could just take a page from Curtis and create a ridiculously long cmavo so as to not take up space that we might want to actually use, e.g. {ju'a'o'e} :p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is difficult to represent that elliptical illocution th= ough. Either {ge'e} can represent an illocution or evidential as well, = which makes it extremely vague, or it can only express UI1-type emotions, i= n which case it isn't useful here. On the other hand, there may not be = enough justification to create a cmavo to represent it.

= Or perhaps we could just take a page from Curtis and create a ridiculously = long cmavo so as to not take up space that we might want to actually use, e= .g. {ju'a'o'e} :p

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