From nobody@chain.digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 21 11:19:24 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list bpfk-announce); Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GxTRq-0003iI-EZ for bpfk-announce-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:22 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.244]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GxTRk-0003iA-LL for bpfk-announce@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:22 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so758712ana for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sJpjm2JfdeZ5hHWA19Hiq/rTBo3M9l6gH3r7ws4kIPwHZQmj/A8D7A0skafWYOSpSdErBGKUgb3nzofwwFW/OO6S+2hGbo9+R1/OXW3VmO24g5nZvO8jK4wvezJlv0XNNOVqX8ImbyiTaKZ7OmQAAlYi5N4R+RzGzDKV4ukngoY= Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr525834hug.1166728754907; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.4 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:19:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:19:13 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: bpfk-announce@lojban.org Subject: [bpfk-announce] Re: BPFK In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <458771EE.9020108@lojban.org> <925d17560612210843r5ab7aa06x884e3c82a43fc6ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -25 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: bpfk-announce-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: bpfk-announce-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: bpfk-announce@lojban.org X-list: bpfk-announce On 12/21/06, Adam D. Lopresto wrote: > > Actually, what I had in mind was more like your vocabulary game. I'd really > like to see a good compendium of good lojban usage, ideally encompassing > usage of all the cmavo (and all the uses of all of them, for those that have > more than one, like {bo} and {jai}), as well as all the places for all the > gismu. > > That's a grand vision. In the meantime, I was thinking more of asking people > to contribute usage examples. I'm not at all sure about putting them on the > unshepherded BPFK sections. Specifically, I fear it would look too official. That's fine. If I recall correctly, you dislike jboselkei because unqualified reviewers can mark down a good translation without an explanation. That is a flaw of a system that has vast potential that its inventor didn't intend. In my opinion, BPFK members reviews should be artificially weighted in the scoring. For a long time I have wanted there to be concordancing software for jboselkei. As it stands now, I think nobody can even _see_ anything in the site without logging in, including Google. I'd like to change that and add jboselkei to the Lojban Custom Google Search (sisyjbo or something?). If that concordancing feature is added to jboselkei, it can be a place where good usage is enshrined, *and* bad usage is pointed out as what not to do. It's already 90% of the way to what you want. I've never come up with an idea that came closer, since the pixra game was going to create gibberish. Your expansion on the concept of mini-proposals sounds great. When I said "at least it would be better than nothing", I didn't aim for it to be a replacement in the best-case or middle-case scenario. I was acknowledging the worst-case scenario, and pointing out even in the worst case we would be better off. -Eppcott