From bpfk-list+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC81fzeBBoEMgyuDw@googlegroups.com Mon May 03 12:58:27 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f165.google.com ([209.85.222.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O91mE-0008Ql-D4; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:58:22 -0700 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37sf65167pzk.25 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8LHZF6ds8AEoHqMhNYXjI8AK2fONz4TEJjtr/yMT4IU=; b=fDXtuu8Xcqq8Zy2Zsq9Ckltd9IOrH3r3ow0OBk7UF5ab9mqBFfFb9tLYl6xsHt6q1e MshL0sPrdbCSx6meBp6nOzuK182Fl3R3fSocVB8tuksrHq9PH3BpFWWUFeopg05674wq GvkEbCd0ekQrx51D00ZCIETfsoMOV8zk/Qlfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xnH5jJ4R/N8mKnhcI0xu89bcymqPcHGUKGjzFNZAHPOS79KMmmqTHOA0AaA82VuHIp tyLp0EMXge41efzKmkcqoD23TknV+KJJjkB2jZlSdBHUQeQs21y3vrtyzSn5ZMUnoG97 jvrHYkJxMT8qgwsG/AoQaiX3k5E1bwGoqoCD8= Received: by 10.142.247.36 with SMTP id u36mr1335879wfh.24.1272916668017; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls73373726wfh.0.p; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.20.35 with SMTP id x35mr2795554wfi.1.1272916667366; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.20.35 with SMTP id x35mr2795553wfi.1.1272916667334; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f42.google.com (mail-vw0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si873282pzk.10.2010.05.03.12.57.46; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by mail-vw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 20so1193612vws.29 for ; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.140.131 with SMTP id i3mr3586804qau.39.1272916665743; Mon, 03 May 2010 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 May 2010 12:57:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201005031548.54031.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201005031548.54031.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:57:45 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Henry is on Liza's right From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > This came up during discussions of "ca'u". Suppose I'm facing north and Henry > is facing east and Liza is south of Henry. One could try saying: > > la lizbet. ninmu ri'u la xenrix. ma'i ri ti'a la xenrix. ma'i mi > > The problem with that is that two sumti are stuffed into the "ma'i" place, and > unless quantifiers are involved, order of sumti doesn't matter (although an > unusual order may emphasize something). This is what termsets are for: la lizbet. ninmu (nu'i) ge ri'u la xenrix. ma'i ri (nu'u) gi ti'a la xenrix. ma'i mi (nu'u) I think camxes allows omitting "nu'i", so you don't need termsets at all. With "nu' i", both "nu'u" are elidable. > I propose this solution: > > la lizbet. ninmu ri'u la xenrix. pe ma'i ri ti'a la xenrix. pe ma'i mi > > This parses in both camxes and jbofi'e, and the prepositional phrase "ma'i mi" > attaches to "ti'a la xenrix" and not to the selbri. It shold attach to the sumti "la xenrix.", not to the term "ti'a la xenrix". > I don't know how to say this with a bare tense marker. "mi ga'uku pema'i le > loldi ku zutse" doesn't parse (and I don't have a clue how to say it in > Gahuku). POI and GOI phrases attach to sumti, not to terms. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.