From bpfk-list+bncCN673cmqFBD8qcnlBBoE4GcTDw@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 17:06:35 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P55uS-0005Vv-V3; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:35 -0700 Received: by yxk30 with SMTP id 30sf2665574yxk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DGk6JtCPDlmH2H/0h1BI8BLMivZya85Ela+l77Y84Qk=; b=pcCjQC4WYk4b8TXx5qMrQilLiIYNjpEZAj3llehRHWSP4i9ig4hmtu0Y1vv4hVpePR Z/2fNKKsgVytYnm85QF/q4yLfojdXp3zEWHrQSTfHTfy0QsmAQ8Vgtke+7uCUmvpvVYr PHKo10tUOCTbfEI4e965W5qZVUdJvu34LIY6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=37CVmnSqFq3yhe6On4RpJ3XFOM0Blmd/aiy90RizQ/ztIgVR+jZ2GJJt0X+0LvR6pX /F+ubs2SaURYNEG62jl+F+5nIk5sJ30OKqQuUani8MYyFFl+UMa/stKj0iakEFSe1ame FPWHWd0CVhhyHwjzBZC8SlBRr/7Lj4dgBsYgY= Received: by 10.101.62.3 with SMTP id p3mr70271ank.28.1286755580534; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.68.15 with SMTP id q15ls522909ana.2.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.111.5 with SMTP id j5mr735657anc.59.1286755580099; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.111.5 with SMTP id j5mr735656anc.59.1286755580080; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3si1027597ano.2.2010.10.10.17.06.19; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.59 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.59; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101011000621.YWNN21335.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:06:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id HC6K1f00A3Xcbvq02C6KSW; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:06:19 -0400 X-VR-Score: -150.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zpAh8NT9SzMisnlzmt6xnbL/Bv7XoKhaPoxN5FSWxDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=uo3xzMg9TYY54chxndcA:9 a=82Tte4Yqj4gWhpI266tQwe04nBUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CB2556C.9010707@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:08:12 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> <4CB223F7.1060402@lojban.org> <4CB2386E.2000301@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.59 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Robert LeChevalier w= rote: >=20 >>JL7 (1988) has a conversation in which each exchange has an explicitly >>marked as optionally omitted ".i" at the beginning. Look in the section = "A >>Very Short Introduction to Lojban Grammar". It was understood that the >>continuation ".i" was there even if not explicit (there are other sample >>conversations in the same newsletter that do not have the explicit ".i", = so >>I suspect that we just stopped teaching it because everyone (until now) >>understood that exchanges were continuations. >=20 >=20 > That "everyone" does not include me. How do you explain this exchange the= n: >=20 > A: ie pei melbi donri > B: nai >=20 > B's reply is certainly not a continuation, because "ie pei melbi donri > nai" is not grammatical, and there is no omitted ".i" because ".i nai" > is also ungrammatical. The only way that can work in the official > grammar is if B is responding with a new text. Obviously then I would have to "explain" the text as "ungrammatical". %^) It doesn't parse as it is, and the machine grammar doesn't recognize the=20 possibility of multiple texts of that sort. As B, I would feel obliged to use ".ienai go'i" if I wanted it to be=20 "correct" Lojban, though I guess just "ienai" would work just as well in=20 this instance. (If CLL has the above as an example, of course, I just=20 say "we didn't think about that when John wrote it") lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.