From bpfk-list+bncCMHEmaCOBhC7ic7lBBoEessuTw@googlegroups.com Mon Oct 11 14:42:38 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5Q8e-0006q2-VS; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:38 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf396324gxk.16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rN5K2xck5t0ZiGDNNxaCujhgnRL0a70E4FGvlftC5oc=; b=Kr82OKuWAeYD/ofmVgpxWD8w/UnEdTooSlZi0UmvV0TDCYG3UO5zeZB6lNggd5nBCY PGEaBHXzl1PLa1VB40eHJY0ZsIylGltvEGE7zf5Xxt53/Kgl7eDjMZ2PSOudEOvcbBSi f4ZccaRHR5hvxAStxG9Afxwk5RlPLgWE0rHsM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nidXAKFFyeKMeGBX5z+htTBlT3zmbtc12ZTC1kA85b8QM2pDGKNdxbGkV5UuOxoKTt tz7zM7cQ7xZyahHk4/PvHveEZ0B/M4RtiB670ovs9/CLns2fJlMK3QA85teBqoiZKgJB xGczOWj/KE4S4bVsMDonxsfSFgkj6NpQshQeU= Received: by 10.91.159.11 with SMTP id l11mr483490ago.54.1286833340686; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1977557ibr.2.p; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr1666734ibx.8.1286833339237; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr1666733ibx.8.1286833339152; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si230741ibb.4.2010.10.11.14.42.18; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by mail-iw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so5218990iwn.31 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.73 with SMTP id o9mr5089893ibd.193.1286833337638; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> <4CB2335F.7000606@lojban.org> <4CB253D0.1020806@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325579f5ef99fea04925e3be3 --000325579f5ef99fea04925e3be3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > > > Whether or not to begin an utterance with {.i} was never the point of > > discussion. Whether or not {.i} is required for an utterance to be > > grammatical was never the point of the discussion. I am not, was not, a= nd > > will not be making any "proposal" to change the grammar of Lojban to > require > > {.i} in such cases as it is currently optional. > > > > The POINT of the discussion is, whether an utterance from a new speaker > is a > > new "text" or not. > > If by "text" you mean "the chunk of input you feed to the parser to > check for grammaticality", then yes, normally an utterance from a new > speaker is a new "text" (there may be rare exceptions). > > If by "text" you mean something else. I don't know, it depends what > you mean by it. > > What do you mean by "text"? > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > .i mi na pensi lodu'u zo'oi.text. du pa jufra .i pensi lodu'u zo'oi.text. d= u lo jufra pe pa se casnu --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den. --000325579f5ef99fea04925e3be3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/10/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas &l= t;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whether or not to begin an utterance with {.i} was never the point of<= br> > discussion. Whether or not {.i} is required for an utterance to be
> grammatical was never the point of the discussion. I am not, was not, = and
> will not be making any "proposal" to change the grammar of L= ojban to require
> {.i} in such cases as it is currently optional.
>
> The POINT of the discussion is, whether an utterance from a new speake= r is a
> new "text" or not.

If by "text" you mean "the chunk of input you feed to = the parser to
check for grammaticality", then yes, normally an utterance from a new<= br> speaker is a new "text" (there may be rare exceptions).

If by "text" you mean something else. I don't know, it depend= s what
you mean by it.

What do you mean by "text"?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

.i m= i na pensi lodu'u zo'oi.text. du pa jufra .i pensi lodu'u zo= 9;oi.text. du lo jufra pe pa se casnu

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mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )

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