From bpfk-list+bncCKXkyaieBhDY_tPlBBoEdW3slg@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 12 17:38:00 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5pLx-00017H-4m; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:38:00 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf1859659vws.16 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ok2YjHnPS6kYFdZ98w7XHrnB/eg5x2OMze1CdAdTOnY=; b=sKiSyrL9eutZ35Lx8JxdeqvTELK1B/uXH+UUc2i/tVEwT1JcCprQpJZrRE1fYR6joq CODLYQvcoL633YMyblf2s2R+qt+BXkccHdqDRb5QzlunFLwVtySVOeu5EbnMnX5FlBHy B7fLpujxx85+Hoi2ZalsEcKLWzG5eEx8wZurQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=z1vUp0NNkfepHJ64dXa7jrJey8e3ekQkUroa66czQkq1vebplta5OUNCLP9ZoBuFne CtYTVkaEcD2Wlv6t/Gznlu82lEQJgQqXqp2NY66j0qtD4ZabDX+jV0iHGKf1TZOpqyw9 obKK3RxC8T8jI6zmqyyWTh8SiL54E1wsSRSYg= Received: by 10.220.198.130 with SMTP id eo2mr258874vcb.22.1286930264564; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.52.1 with SMTP id f1ls67464vcg.0.p; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.9 with SMTP id do9mr337710vcb.12.1286930264052; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.9 with SMTP id do9mr337709vcb.12.1286930264018; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m16si1280791vcr.2.2010.10.12.17.37.43; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.216.179 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@brockman.se) client-ip=209.85.216.179; Received: by mail-qy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 36so2928840qyk.3 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.128.8 with SMTP id i8mr6230094qas.241.1286930263753; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com (mail-qw0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t17sm5881037qcp.26.2010.10.12.17.37.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26so906415qwa.33 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.185.145 with SMTP id co17mr6306411qab.251.1286930261984; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.145 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4CB2335F.7000606@lojban.org> <4CB253D0.1020806@lojban.org> <4CB3576C.2000009@lojban.org> <4CB48045.9050503@lojban.org> <4CB4A74F.9040003@lojban.org> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:37:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: daniel@brockman.se X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.216.179 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of daniel@brockman.se) smtp.mail=daniel@brockman.se Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think I see what you mean. You are saying that a "conversation" is not the only kind of "meta-textual" Lojban objects that exist or can exist. Another simple example could be a Lojban "book". Or how about a Lojban "twitter feed" or "mailing list"? A "stream of consciousness"? A "to-do list"? A "contract"? I agree. None of these are exactly "conversations", yet they are certainly "Lojban objects". I feel like I could easily produce any number of examples. Essentially, Jorge is asking us to stop trying to formalize something that we do not understand and have not really thought through, or even really thought about at all. Right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.