From bpfk-list+bncCJXwn4e6DRC66dflBBoEQMqGBg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 11:04:59 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P65h9-0005so-DC; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:58 -0700 Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16sf653652fxm.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ay93xKL6As8WBGJTLPGwCRkfam2R+Yh0TZI2ajlzdVg=; b=iHlvWWODqVUOEKAvrsliMMtI48KWZmRXcAyqu+K5Shtghsy3DRz3G5KjfrMt4dv3jF j/cxiOvNWJhM8RjJ7lTyfXd2kF5+7SqN1basyZpJkPZORpZb+oseUH/xCcn2VlkIp/4I m1eSpnSnZLHeXboffRmtO6aOzp4qyDGZHrG5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RmyCgjz2ZtjsUNcZkWd/CQQWDzbiRBYcp+GMHPwC9FDwjITjCOJATdc1v3JaLe2sk7 bIqM955KKS3g5bPWdaURA3QU0li1J17K1t08uudEDhbUkbY5PGbAwc/ru85zQYhIhq41 QrIhGIA665P7ym+M2TzvihpUCWq/xAhgR8O5o= Received: by 10.223.54.70 with SMTP id p6mr228552fag.6.1286993082455; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.137.193 with SMTP id x1ls623455bkt.0.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr422957bkl.5.1286993081199; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr422956bkl.5.1286993081157; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z17si6305427bkb.7.2010.10.13.11.04.40; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so821871fxm.6 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.182.211 with SMTP id r19mr619210hbg.52.1286993079669; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.139 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:04:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> From: Adam Lopresto Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamlopresto@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamlopresto@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163649a1355793520492836d83 --00163649a1355793520492836d83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So here are the use cases I can think of. If there are others, let me know. 1) "Frank is more blue than Bob." (la .frank. la .bab. zmadu lo ce'u blanu) 2) "The length of the car is 3 meters." (lo lo karce cu clani cu mitre li ci) 3) "The number of things John invented amazes me." (mi manci lo la .djan. finti ) So how do we resolve all of these? For a while, I've been using {ni} as though it meant {su'u se la'u ma kau}, which seems to cover 1 and 2 (since {su'u} could take a {ce'u} or not), but seems sloppy. For 3, I'd have to use something like {su'u la .djan. ciska xo kau da} (possibly with something other than {su'u}), which may or may not be good. Can we at least agree that all three of these need to be representable somehow, but that they are not the same? {ni ka} really disturbs me, unless its meaning is completely derivable from {ni} and {ka} separately. So first define {ni}, then I'll tell you what {ni ka} is. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Philip Newton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:08, Lindar wrote: > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Aristo... > > Do you mean < > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20Aristotelean%20Abstractors > > > ? > > mu'o mi'e .filip. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BPFK" group. > To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en. --00163649a1355793520492836d83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So here are the use cases I can think of. If there are others, let me know.=

1) "Frank is more blue than Bob." (la .frank.= la .bab. zmadu lo <abstractor> ce'u blanu)
2) "Th= e length of the car is 3 meters." (lo <asbtractor> lo karce cu c= lani cu mitre li ci)
3) "The number of things John invented amazes me." (mi manci= lo <abstractor> la .djan. finti <ce'u?>)

So how do we resolve all of these? For a while, I've been using= {ni} as though it meant {su'u se la'u ma kau}, which seems to cove= r 1 and 2 (since {su'u} could take a {ce'u} or not), but seems slop= py. For 3, I'd have to use something like {su'u la .djan. ciska xo = kau da} (possibly with something other than {su'u}), which may or may n= ot be good.=A0

Can we at least agree that all three of these need to b= e representable somehow, but that they are not the same?

{ni ka} really disturbs me, unless its meaning is completely derivab= le from {ni} and {ka} separately. So first define {ni}, then I'll tell = you what {ni ka} is.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Philip Newt= on <philip.= newton@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 09:08, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?= page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Aristo...

Do you mean <ht= tp://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK%20Section%3A%20Aristote= lean%20Abstractors>
?

mu'o mi'e .filip.

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