From bpfk-list+bncCMHEmaCOBhCqxN_lBBoEZxpS6g@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 22:10:18 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6cYY-00009n-G3; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:18 -0700 Received: by gwj22 with SMTP id 22sf474621gwj.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g1SqfaJCik1yImIvoku7555uWX3W1NT7WclcPVCuyps=; b=dZ7IdmPa3CB4MAbJBY5FWqx6AiDxqKPDa8N1DWFiDAgcT9HrUpCdthoCoAXXKUebcs VIehlZjjteocA9Slm/cEd4LdKStN3o9BNff18Omd/if2TKdj7ycY7sZ5Kzmy6qCAzHpj XT8RLBvLupuTrfoFVo4NeQf+pwx/Y3V08SHpg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dfveRtqLgZZKdZquENsUs3osaIPZyNIHh/MXIKxA5i//G/Z7+cXgYpNSYL1lLftRdV jdhacJl/TdVuX+jce7dHYiMmDit3M82EHcwEOvmHEHRJeV6jTrreMF4+y6W704eaXwn1 32uvKD8fGxg3wemaPfLJ9P2u4JcbxrujXemLs= Received: by 10.90.103.13 with SMTP id a13mr337917agc.10.1287119402719; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls2060854ibb.0.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr151916ibd.14.1287119402261; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr151914ibd.14.1287119402199; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si7289885ibb.2.2010.10.14.22.10.01; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so460579iwn.26 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.193 with SMTP id v1mr142969ibc.87.1287119399259; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:09:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101014221058.GC15812@digitalkingdom.org> <20101015045108.GC8367@nvg.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:09:59 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work - getting it done. From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557a0d69390f30492a0d664 --00032557a0d69390f30492a0d664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Jonathan Jones wrot= e: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wr= ote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 07:44:40PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> > I would like to at this time seek approval for removing the followin= g >>>> > entries from the BPFK Section: >>>> > Tense< >>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Tense >>>> >page: >>>> > >>>> > {baba}=B9 >>>> > {bapu}=B9 >>>> > {puba}=B9 >>>> > {pupu}=B9 >>>> > >>>> > {baca'a}=B2 >>>> > {caca'a}=B2 >>>> > {cajeba}=B2 >>>> > {puca'a}=B2 >>>> > {pujeba}=B2 >>>> > {pujeca}=B2 >>>> > {puza}=B2 >>>> > {puze'a}=B2 >>>> > {puze'i}=B2 >>>> > {puze'u}=B2 >>>> > {puzi}=B2 >>>> > {puzu}=B2 >>>> > >>>> > =B9 Official meaning differs from usage, as well as being non-intuit= ive. >>>> > =B2 Meaning is obvious given meaning of components and therefore doe= s >>>> not need >>>> > it's own entry. >>>> >>>> Agreed, provided that the entries for selma'o JA be updated to >>>> accurately reflect their tense-coordinating function. They do not curr= ently >>>> do so, see >>>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Logic= al+Connectives >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arnt Richard Johansen >>>> http://arj.nvg.org/ >>>> Public Notice as Required by Law: Any Use of This Product, in Any >>>> Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the >>>> Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is >>>> Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the >>>> Universe. --Susan Hewitt and Edward Subitzky >>>> >>>> >>> On it. Would providing examples of their use in this regard be enough, = or >>> do you mean mentioning this use in the definition, or both? >>> >> >> Also, are you referring to all JA, or only je specifically, since only j= e >> is used in the above? > > > I see that you said "selma'o JA", so that already answered my second > question. > I have added the note: "May be combined with PU to indicate multiple tenses." to each of the JA cmavo, excepting {jo nai}, and also added the Usage Example from the PUJAPU that were deleted to the Usage Examples for the JA (All of them use {je}, as I mentioned). If that's not enough, let me know. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Jonathan Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.c= om> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14= , 2010 at 11:00 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote= :


On Thu, Oct 14, 201= 0 at 10:55 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:= 51 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 07:44:40PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> I would like to at this time seek approval for removing the following<= br> > entries from the BPFK Section:
> Tense<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ti= ki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Tense>page:
>
> {baba}=B9
> {bapu}=B9
> {puba}=B9
> {pupu}=B9
>
> {baca'a}=B2
> {caca'a}=B2
> {cajeba}=B2
> {puca'a}=B2
> {pujeba}=B2
> {pujeca}=B2
> {puza}=B2
> {puze'a}=B2
> {puze'i}=B2
> {puze'u}=B2
> {puzi}=B2
> {puzu}=B2
>
> =B9 Official meaning differs from usage, as well as being non-intuitiv= e.
> =B2 Meaning is obvious given meaning of components and therefore does = not need
> it's own entry.

Agreed, provided that the entries for selma'o JA be updated to ac= curately reflect their tense-coordinating function. They do not currently d= o so, see http://www.lojban.org/tik= i/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Logical+Connectives

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Public Notice as Required by Law: Any Use of This Product, in Any
Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the
Universe. =A0Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is
Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the
Universe. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --Susan Hewit= t and Edward Subitzky


On it. Would providing examples of= their use in this regard be enough, or do you mean mentioning this use in = the definition, or both?

Also, are you referring to all JA, or only je specifically, since only je i= s used in the above?

I see = that you said "selma'o JA", so that already answered my secon= d question.

I have added the note: "May be combined with PU = to indicate multiple tenses." to each of the JA cmavo, excepting {jo n= ai}, and also added the Usage Example from the PUJAPU that were deleted to = the Usage Examples for the JA (All of them use {je}, as I mentioned). If th= at's not enough, let me know.
=A0
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e = ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o<= br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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