From bpfk-list+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCa0uLlBBoExVOfHw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 12:19:10 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6po2-0003qB-E8; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:19:09 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf602709wyb.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QU9wJo8H9tXTKUZeRaGcUfytqQKWFHZAoiTwcfcbsoM=; b=N+hvZrVOj+7miI8Fma43plPjzh8BMAgbZlMRWP4XSuIrvV6SlEqGqgukW84Nb7cVlg ZbwtSoZTbqo7ZYPxyPcTthhmURPK5q7s/+8sn/0KWa2+aGvOEMr2b1i7ZgwIte/0Lxgw zummCpIvJckrlGtfnn3fdAieoAcID5uVef0Ig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OYP2uIAP0HDB//hTgH9XZP2QQisWeWQUg2mBedslRGVUaBAby2g7LtActCQKb+gf+v MIRUGecQZNQWX6LK/prCWby71lWKt6W82fL3D+fA+WzwmYKaR54tLRdo3NCMslkH2ZWM 7CP6oz661Erijz4gvs83fYPzf30nNPHTZmKyo= Received: by 10.216.62.141 with SMTP id y13mr218822wec.28.1287170330249; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.238.19 with SMTP id z19ls1707061weq.2.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.194 with SMTP id t44mr68224wet.4.1287170329585; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.194 with SMTP id t44mr68223wet.4.1287170329558; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o31si2798121wej.10.2010.10.15.12.18.48; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 20so1082033wwd.6 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.158.4 with SMTP id d4mr1510944wbx.61.1287170031205; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <9572835c-55f6-4644-be9b-dd9601570d8d@m35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:13:50 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Cowan wrote: > 2010/10/15 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > >> Questions are (which is always strange, but anyway) > > Not at all strange. =A0Any point in a jufra may be the one being > queried, just as ma, mo, and the like may appear anywhere in a jufra > but cause the whole jufra to be a question. It's not the place in the matrix bridi that's strange, I have no problem with that. What is strange is when a question is embedded in a subordinate bridi. I'm pretty sure Lojban must violate some language universal there, but I don't really know enough about it to be sure, it's just a feeling. > In any case, I generally object to "parsimonious ontologies" (pc's > phrase) that map the types of objects that fall into the x1 place of a > NU selbri into one another. =A0Truth values are not necessarily to be > identified with quantities (though, to answer another question, a > quantity can be used anywhere a number is wanted), and neither of them > with propositions. So what you are saying is that you support the second "jei": jei ... =3D se jetlai lo du'u ... Do I understand you correctly? That one cannot be used as the x2 of djuno. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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