From bpfk-list+bncCPnKlJnQDBC74uLlBBoE2szi6A@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 12:53:46 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6qLX-0006Xl-8i; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:46 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf1245655gxk.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z/joOZANZFAgBqdHjbU2imeGRjXixkWLPPl2ZcugzGg=; b=DfamRkTq3QYqOBpK7wpe6CjszIt/TpKvJ/vpyCzBBtKax5eZmKx5P/rsjrbObxbdM1 8eFzWk6aLI97y1vrHC+z9uyyb5e/jmSmF+hN4Rf8PTADZqvrm/KsxwzbUTAZoDgIpgqW uR1FQfEKWcKIf2DkxYG5IADFHsGoEWok/vcAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=4LWfqj+CuQQ8vEhrieFHYasqEBkvonMNYnhRJG4u0JDxZoseJv+JpVo44BIqyOQHg1 MwxigrILRbUeIUKUpK55Gw4NKL3TyhOtfEOVGj4dFshE7COcTW/LhP4tfYbfKzvEhA1m 8HOtXZpcURmsbESr3312BJ3eeLg8vfBjUCHew= Received: by 10.236.110.39 with SMTP id t27mr28991yhg.28.1287172411324; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.185.34 with SMTP id m34ls550528anp.7.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.11 with SMTP id h11mr138885anc.57.1287172411029; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.109.11 with SMTP id h11mr138884anc.57.1287172411006; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f170.google.com (mail-gy0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u5si8045448ana.8.2010.10.15.12.53.29; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of johnwcowan@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.170; Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so587918gyf.29 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.27.5 with SMTP id e5mr2320388ybj.288.1287172409748; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <9572835c-55f6-4644-be9b-dd9601570d8d@m35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> From: John Cowan Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: johnwcowan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of johnwcowan@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=johnwcowan@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/15 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > What is strange is when a question is embedded in a subordinate bridi. > I'm pretty sure Lojban must violate some language universal there, but > I don't really know enough about it to be sure, it's just a feeling. Not at all. English (unlike Chinese, Turkish, and Lojban) fronts its question words, and can do so from arbitrarily deep in the clause-tree: Who was it you said John saw (t) walking with Mary? Who was it you said George heard John saw (t) walking with Mary? ... where "(t)" marks the "trace", the point from which the question-word was fronted. Or, in the mood of disbelief (which is in the Chinese or Lojban style for normal questions): You said John saw WHO walking with Mary??! You said George heard John saw WHO walking with Mary??! ... > So what you are saying is that you support the second "jei": > > =A0 =A0 =A0 jei ... =3D se jetlai lo du'u ... > > Do I understand you correctly? That one cannot be used as the x2 of djuno= . That sounds right to me. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.