From bpfk-list+bncCNuStaWoDxDp7-jlBBoECki5Fg@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 16 16:40:41 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7GMg-0004M0-3G; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:41 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1279703wwe.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:message-id:date :from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bPFLI3rKBPu1M4Cyga+oIau+LJPBEW4oelNBxJNpykY=; b=aGTucvNXXdEg90u+M/sKYztOnYnXvXlZ0CDDhrJvqgvHRZUdf+B5d88HbknTjMP6tO 1qDtILyZdFEk887AVEc5Awyu3S75BJGk0r+q/bGVywLr6lwHTghl5S7b/ZHF9VFro53K +plp7MFTjRsY1y3hWFLEke7LEnC5Pb7mxBxyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dQhg5PnHPFlNyZP/3giOB0PvpLhvUHA41+0DtMOKWESYg1AYSU9EQIkKgo2M002eE5 XHVPVHXL9/kNccsPzBeP7QEQc9Pd5sCyhzagKjq5VLLEgTy35qrkTo2ZWI1iA7rjD5V9 MT5TanNOsQDavsMDzXwfq+57jAyggcEEDyqHI= Received: by 10.216.141.94 with SMTP id f72mr360176wej.13.1287272425900; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.131.162 with SMTP id x34ls1667921wbs.0.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.138.17 with SMTP id y17mr132641wbt.24.1287272425040; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.138.17 with SMTP id y17mr132640wbt.24.1287272425011; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (mail-ww0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q27si2771766wbv.5.2010.10.16.16.40.23; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.45; Received: by wwa36 with SMTP id 36so2211491wwa.26 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.15 with SMTP id q15mr2657383web.103.1287268962011; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.72] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r18sm9101172weo.0.2010.10.16.15.42.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CBA2A5F.4000104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:42:39 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <9572835c-55f6-4644-be9b-dd9601570d8d@m35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4CB90A9A.3050302@gmail.com> <4CB97A01.9040007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonathan Jones, On 16/10/2010 23:08: > The whole "that(WH)x" construct is a bit confusing. It looks to me > like a function, but being a math geek, not a linguistics geek, I > can't be sure, and have no idea what the function is if I'm right, > thus causing me vast amounts of consternation.> If you mean it looks like a function because of the notation, disregard tha= t -- it was ad hoc notation I made up on the fly. If you mean that logicall= y it looks to be some sort of function, then yes -- it's a function from an= incomplete (aka 'open') proposition (containing one or more variables) to = the generic proposition that is its true completion. I.e. take the set of a= ll propositions differentiated by different values for the variables (e.g. = "John came" and "Bill came" and "Sue came" for the incomplete "x came"), se= lect those that are true, and -- there are logical variants on this last st= ep -- abstract them into a generic. And that's the referent of the interrog= ative complementizer. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.