From bpfk-list+bncCMHEmaCOBhDQ8OjlBBoEleOIvg@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 16 16:42:23 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7GOK-0004Q2-Hw; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:23 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf2327682gxk.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=H7K6JF+DAFUL9DL9ZsXfdzmn8N9qfu09jUtIvtGCru0=; b=zoG5o5jvhQmKD5VuSmToRIodryPhI7Ce4O7mHAMXwtM5HGV+unLbdxCyTOC4ebA0/E 20YvrQuPR17RCvGJCwaSuWgMwSIr7Z+YD61CigaegEc8Y6O2KnUV1jDJjlZxhqPfo+2z PRbkZJxtmeE0ERQszITSfD4L/P1cLElCKaDG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=TASsfGB3TMFOTQADwJtkOaT9WzJ8UPBYfNzRnxm+mqrUVL601YZPeIm38fhbHQuteq 2o5GOa1NaQvlDLG8a4LcEQgvGkRHBkXAxAuHLgHuwKLe+yEN2OSIYTDv62ET7FWpC84Y beoOeqCh/wdWSjVkw5WITc/bkQSUEpFEag//A= Received: by 10.90.25.16 with SMTP id 16mr51092agy.29.1287272528343; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls3090311ibr.2.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr970274ibd.3.1287272527985; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr970273ibd.3.1287272527935; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si4463129ibb.0.2010.10.16.16.42.06; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by mail-iw0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 7so1295736iwn.9 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.210.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1459881icb.501.1287272526804; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.15 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:42:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CBA2A5F.4000104@gmail.com> References: <70c95ba0-9cc9-4639-8e30-5e486d25cf2b@q3g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <9572835c-55f6-4644-be9b-dd9601570d8d@m35g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4CB90A9A.3050302@gmail.com> <4CB97A01.9040007@gmail.com> <4CBA2A5F.4000104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:42:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303bf70cb0756a0492c47d74 --20cf303bf70cb0756a0492c47d74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM, And Rosta wrote: > Jonathan Jones, On 16/10/2010 23:08: > > The whole "that(WH)x" construct is a bit confusing. It looks to me >> like a function, but being a math geek, not a linguistics geek, I >> can't be sure, and have no idea what the function is if I'm right, >> thus causing me vast amounts of consternation.> >> > > If you mean it looks like a function because of the notation, disregard > that -- it was ad hoc notation I made up on the fly. If you mean that > logically it looks to be some sort of function, then yes -- it's a function > from an incomplete (aka 'open') proposition (containing one or more > variables) to the generic proposition that is its true completion. I.e. take > the set of all propositions differentiated by different values for the > variables (e.g. "John came" and "Bill came" and "Sue came" for the > incomplete "x came"), select those that are true, and -- there are logical > variants on this last step -- abstract them into a generic. And that's the > referent of the interrogative complementizer. > > > --And. > Disregarding. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en. --20cf303bf70cb0756a0492c47d74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:42 PM, And Ros= ta <and.rosta@g= mail.com> wrote:
Jonathan Jones, On 16/10/2010 23:08:

The whole "that(WH)x" construct is a bit confusing. It looks to m= e
like a function, but being a math geek, not a linguistics geek, I
can't be sure, and have no idea what the function is if I'm right,<= br> thus causing me vast amounts of consternation.>

If you mean it looks like a function because of the notation, disregard tha= t -- it was ad hoc notation I made up on the fly. If you mean that logicall= y it looks to be some sort of function, then yes -- it's a function fro= m an incomplete (aka 'open') proposition (containing one or more va= riables) to the generic proposition that is its true completion. I.e. take = the set of all propositions differentiated by different values for the vari= ables (e.g. "John came" and "Bill came" and "Sue c= ame" for the incomplete "x came"), select those that are tru= e, and -- there are logical variants on this last step -- abstract them int= o a generic. And that's the referent of the interrogative complementize= r.


--And.

Disregarding.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima l= e bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come t= o the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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